soeroah
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Post by soeroah on May 11, 2016 7:16:09 GMT
I'd like just about any answer that resolved inconsistencies, even if it were the aforementioned "it's a meta power so plot holes don't matter, because the power's purpose is to drive the narrative to its conclusion". I don't think they are that specific. No more specific than how doomed timelines vs the Alpha timeline work. Much of that was examples as to questions stemming from a lack of clarity, not specific questions I want answered. I thought it was pretty clear by now how the alpha and doomed time lines worked. Well, at least to the point where we know what causes them. No, what I meant was, I don't think wanting to know more about the mechanics of the Retcons is any different from wanting to know about the mechanics of Alpha/Doomed timelines, which we got a few bits of exposition on. I'm explaining myself real badly with this :/
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Post by sarahthehomestuck on May 16, 2016 19:05:02 GMT
I think this goes in this thread? Did they leave gamzee in the fridge on the meateor?
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Acamaeda
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Post by Acamaeda on May 18, 2016 2:39:26 GMT
I think this goes in this thread? Did they leave gamzee in the fridge on the meateor? The last time we saw it, the fridge was on LOTAK, and probably got sucked into the black hole.
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Post by sarahthehomestuck on May 18, 2016 5:28:13 GMT
Poor gamzee. All he did was kill three? trolls and be really creepy. So creepy.
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The One Guy
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Post by The One Guy on May 18, 2016 13:52:14 GMT
Poor gamzee. All he did was kill three? trolls and be really creepy. So creepy. He also contributed to the rise and upbringing of Lord English and was in an abusive relationship with Terezi.
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Post by sarahthehomestuck on May 18, 2016 16:42:35 GMT
Oh right i forgot about that. Actually now that i think about it gamzee and the black hole deserve eachother. New OTP anyone?
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thedude3445
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Post by thedude3445 on May 25, 2016 7:00:17 GMT
None of the plot points I want resolved can be resolved in an Epilogue format, so I guess my biggest question is the one that we've been wondering for so many years now: Can trolls and humans successfully mate? Can they have babies through biology or, failing that, science? I want to see some unholy freak of a Half-Troll before this comic is done.
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Post by obsidalicious on May 25, 2016 7:38:18 GMT
None of the plot points I want resolved can be resolved in an Epilogue format, so I guess my biggest question is the one that we've been wondering for so many years now: Can trolls and humans successfully mate? Can they have babies through biology or, failing that, science? I want to see some unholy freak of a Half-Troll before this comic is done. I doubt they could breed naturally. Despite their superficial similarities, humans and trolls have come to their current forms from entirely opposite sides of the taxonomic tree. With science it might be possible, but figuring out the correct procedure would be a long and messy process that may or may not involve a certain scene out of Alien Resurrection.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on May 25, 2016 11:05:56 GMT
None of the plot points I want resolved can be resolved in an Epilogue format, so I guess my biggest question is the one that we've been wondering for so many years now: Can trolls and humans successfully mate? Can they have babies through biology or, failing that, science? I want to see some unholy freak of a Half-Troll before this comic is done. I doubt they could breed naturally. Despite their superficial similarities, humans and trolls have come to their current forms from entirely opposite sides of the taxonomic tree. With science it might be possible, but figuring out the correct procedure would be a long and messy process that may or may not involve a certain scene out of Alien Resurrection. I would figure ectobiology could do it. Just mix some slime from a human and a troll together and instant human/troll baby.
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thedude3445
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Post by thedude3445 on May 25, 2016 17:11:21 GMT
Alien: Resurrection doesn't deserve to be referenced so I will just go with ectobiology. Which is boring but I still want to see some horrific hybrid creatures acting as the characters' children.
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lyla
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Post by lyla on May 27, 2016 15:43:58 GMT
Absolutely the Masterpiece thing. I want to know what timeline that is.
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Post by spacedwarfindustries on May 27, 2016 16:59:07 GMT
I would go with "What the hell happened in the dream bubbles after LE got pocketed"?
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Post by alleywaycreeper on May 27, 2016 19:35:13 GMT
I would go with "What the hell happened in the dream bubbles after LE got pocketed"? Whether LE got pocketed is one.
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turtleoracle
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Post by turtleoracle on Jun 10, 2016 10:20:49 GMT
The one question I would ask is, why did Dave not use the SBaHJifier more than just once ?
Also, will Hearts Boxcars ever get out of the Horse Calendar ?
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Post by spacedwarfindustries on Jun 10, 2016 10:39:20 GMT
Also, will Hearts Boxcars ever get out of the Horse Calendar ? HB was heavily implied, if not outright stated to be dead on www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003237 , when smashing the safe jumped him to the "highly unfavorable timeline" (Which is the troll alpha timeline)
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thedude3445
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 11, 2016 4:51:09 GMT
I thought the "everyone is dead" thing was just Spades saying that carelessly without regard to actually checking. Since Clover was shown to be alive in the [o]termission later, I feel like Hussie was going for that. Though he abandoned that plot thread later when he brought the entire Felt back to life somehow and then the crew was still presumed dead. But in the context of the Intermission itself, I don't think they were actually confirmed dead, so Hearts Boxcars is probably still out there farming horses, in our hearts.
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Post by sporkaganza on Jun 12, 2016 7:17:26 GMT
I don't know if this is a plot point, but I just kind of want to know what was the purpose of introducing so many new ideas and plot threads at the last second if they were intentionally never going to be followed up on. Like, some of them I think are fine, some I don't, but it's the totality of them that confuses me. There's so much that's only introduced in Act 6 Act 6 that never goes anywhere – why??
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Post by drifloon on Jun 12, 2016 8:37:51 GMT
Because Hussie was rushing to get the thing out by 4/13, focused exclusively on the big animations and didn't have the time to get out the regular content that would have tied things up better between Collide and Act 7.
That's my guess, anyway.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 12, 2016 8:56:37 GMT
Because Hussie was rushing to get the thing out by 4/13, focused exclusively on the big animations and didn't have the time to get out the regular content that would have tied things up better between Collide and Act 7. That's my guess, anyway. No, that doesn't make sense. He was planning Act 7 and probably Collide long before he started writing the last sub act, so he would've known there wasn't going to be any resolution for things like the sprites, so there'd be no reason to introduce them. So why do so?
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Post by drifloon on Jun 12, 2016 12:02:54 GMT
Because there was some resolution planned, but the animations took priority over it. Either some substantial content between Collide and Act 7 instead of the silent panels, or possibly some content after Act 7 as well. I can't guess the specifics, but it's clear that the ending we got has some things missing that were obviously supposed to happen, and I can't really believe in the theory that it's all just an elaborate troll.
It would make sense of why Davepeta's fight with LE is ongoing in Collide, but then they're gone in Act 7, for example. Maybe the rest of their fight was going to be shown in some panels beforehand. Who knows. Hussie missing some content because he was rushing to get done by 4/13 just seems to be where all the evidence seems to point, to me.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 12, 2016 12:14:19 GMT
Because there was some resolution planned, but the animations took priority over it. Either some substantial content between Collide and Act 7 instead of the silent panels, or possibly some content after Act 7 as well. I can't guess the specifics, but it's clear that the ending we got has some things missing that were obviously supposed to happen, and I can't really believe in the theory that it's all just an elaborate troll. It would make sense of why Davepeta's fight with LE is ongoing in Collide, but then they're gone in Act 7, for example. Maybe the rest of their fight was going to be shown in some panels beforehand. Who knows. Hussie missing some content because he was rushing to get done by 4/13 just seems to be where all the evidence seems to point, to me. If he planned something bigger for the sprites but then ran out of time, he could've just used regular pages. Hell, he's done that before. Vriska's and Rose's fights with Jack were supposed to be a flash, but he had to scrap that. Still, even if he couldn't make a flash, the content was still there. We still saw the two Light players fighting and we still saw the outcome of both fights. And he even had other people making the regular pages while he was working on the animations so it wouldn't have been that hard to do.
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Post by drifloon on Jun 12, 2016 12:23:14 GMT
I'm assuming whatever he had planned would have required a substantial amount of writing and commissioning of panels, and given that he was in his own words "coming right down to the wire" with Collide, there wasn't time to get any more done.
I don't know if we have any actual information on when that last batch of silent panels were commissioned, but they really seem like a last-minute rushjob measure, like he just got someone to do those when he realised he wouldn't be able to put anything more substantial together. That way he wouldn't have to write or script anything beyond describing the bare minimum that would make for a transition between the two animations.
I know it's a very cynical view, but I can't really believe in any of the other explanations I've heard. There's no way the current state of the ending is what was planned, and there's no way it was intentionally bad to troll us. It being rushed because Hussie just wanted to get the comic over with and the animation work took all his energy - and him probably thinking that the big animations were the most important part anyway, and that what he ended up cutting would only really have mattered to the die-hard fans (and/or could be cleared up in an epilogue at a later date anyway) - makes the most sense. I mean, honestly, Hussie hasn't seemed very enthusiastic about the comic for a long time.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 12, 2016 13:22:20 GMT
I'm assuming whatever he had planned would have required a substantial amount of writing and commissioning of panels, and given that he was in his own words "coming right down to the wire" with Collide, there wasn't time to get any more done. I don't know if we have any actual information on when that last batch of silent panels were commissioned, but they really seem like a last-minute rushjob measure, like he just got someone to do those when he realised he wouldn't be able to put anything more substantial together. That way he wouldn't have to write or script anything beyond describing the bare minimum that would make for a transition between the two animations. I know it's a very cynical view, but I can't really believe in any of the other explanations I've heard. There's no way the current state of the ending is what was planned, and there's no way it was intentionally bad to troll us. It being rushed because Hussie just wanted to get the comic over with and the animation work took all his energy - and him probably thinking that the big animations were the most important part anyway, and that what he ended up cutting would only really have mattered to the die-hard fans (and/or could be cleared up in an epilogue at a later date anyway) - makes the most sense. I mean, honestly, Hussie hasn't seemed very enthusiastic about the comic for a long time. It wasn't just the sprites, though. It's the masterpiece, and Jade's frog. Back before Hussie started working on Collide and Act 7, he made the masterpiece so he knew he would have to explain what the deal with that was later, and knew he'd have to explain that frog, because it's pretty damn important (given it was the last frog Jade needed for Bilious Slick) and we know absolutely nothing about where it came from, accept that someone sent it. And the thing of it is, plot wise, Collide was kind of a big waste of time. Back when he started making it, he would've known what he had to tie up, so he could've used Collide to do so, but he didn't. For Act 7 this kind of makes sense, (it's mostly meant to be spectacle) but a lot of what happens in Collide is just...filler. It's a cool flash for sure, but it does almost nothing to advance the plot. It'd be one thing if Collide was filled with so much stuff that needed to be in it that Hussie ran out of time for other essential stuff....but it's not. Most of the stuff in Collide is far, far less important than the things that have been left hanging by the end of the story and could've been cut for more relevant things. And I just don't think Hussie wouldn't have realized that.
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Post by drifloon on Jun 12, 2016 15:19:24 GMT
Something like Collide was pretty essential, though, in the sense that big spectacular animations are an expected part of the Homestuck experience - so it doesn't really surprise me that that would have been the top priority, considering that everyone expected it and most probably considered it a necessary component of an ending to Homestuck. If we'd had an ending where everything was more or less tied up reasonably well, but all of the action and the fights with the villains was skipped through in regular panels rather than a flash, in all likelihood, people would still be complaining just as much as they are now; they'd just be complaining about Hussie being lazy and glossing over all the epic fight scenes and such instead of complaining about the plot being unsatisfactory. (And honestly, people would probably still be complaining about that as well, because even if you tie everything up, there's no guarantee that people are going to like HOW it was tied up.)
So yeah, I don't think it's hard to believe that Hussie considered a big animation more important than a totally neat and conclusive ending. At the very least, I think it's easier to believe than any of the alternatives. But that's obviously going to be up to your personal interpretation of Hussie. Personally, given how the fanbase reacted to a lot of the plot developments with the retcon and squared sprites and such, I wouldn't be surprised if he felt like most of the fanbase weren't going to be particularly impressed with his planned ending even if he HAD gone through with everything he wanted to - between the people whose expectations were so high that they could never have been reasonably satisfied, the people who just categorically disliked the themes Hussie was going with and would still have disliked them however well he'd followed them through, and the people who didn't really understand the comic that well in the first place - so he figured that, rather than expending even more energy on trying to please everyone, he may as well prioritise going out with a bang with some really pretty animations over concluding the story in exactly the way he wanted. Sure a lot of people would be dissatisfied, but a lot of people would have been dissatisfied whatever he'd done. (Also, once he started on the animation, he couldn't exactly decide to cut it partway through working on it even if he had wanted to prioritise other things.)
But obviously that's just my interpretation. None of us can actually know what Hussie is thinking. I haven't seen any other interpretation that I can believe in, though, so I feel like it has to be something like this.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 12, 2016 15:27:53 GMT
Something like Collide was pretty essential, though, in the sense that big spectacular animations are an expected part of the Homestuck experience - so it doesn't really surprise me that that would have been the top priority, considering that everyone expected it and most probably considered it a necessary component of an ending to Homestuck. If we'd had an ending where everything was more or less tied up reasonably well, but all of the action and the fights with the villains was skipped through in regular panels rather than a flash, in all likelihood, people would still be complaining just as much as they are now; they'd just be complaining about Hussie being lazy and glossing over all the epic fight scenes and such instead of complaining about the plot being unsatisfactory. (And honestly, people would probably still be complaining about that as well, because even if you tie everything up, there's no guarantee that people are going to like HOW it was tied up.) You're right about it being up to interpretation, so I'll just say this; while there needed to be a confrontation between our the kids and their bosses the way the story was going, it did not need to be that long or drawn out. Quite a lot of the fighting could've been cut so that time and animation could've been used on plot development. Felt a lot like he was looking for stuff to do to eat up the flash to me.
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