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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 9, 2016 14:20:51 GMT
This is actually a thing that has been bugging me for a while. The first time he meets him, John seems quite sure Caliborn is the Big Bad of the story, although he acknowledges he doesn't really understand why he knows this, it's just a feeling he has:
you're behind all this, aren't you! i dunno how i know that, but i can just feel it! This simply makes no sense. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 14:27:27 GMT
Effects of the House Juju?
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 17:00:04 GMT
IDE/Theory: Hussie has written a good ending and a bad ending for the comic, and for the good ending to happen, it will need contribution from the fans. Like, 100k fans sharing it or something like that. As for the masterpiece, for it to happen the comic needs to give the kids a reason to even want to go to Caliborn's session. That hasn't been done either. JOHN: once we all decide we're ready to fight him, i can just zap us all right to him. JOHN: we could take him by surprise again. JOHN: i really doubt he'd be able to handle us if we all clobbered him at once! Also previous pageThat is the method, not the motivation. For all they care Vriska will deal with LE and they can go to the new universe, knowing they already won. There is no need to do those things John said. LE needs to do something for them to realize he is a threat that needs to be defeated. Defeat Vriska for starters, then do something that actually affects the kids. These updates we are getting right now are pretty much the epilogue for the kids. They are getting ready to make the frog and claim the reward. There is no conflict. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 17:05:45 GMT
IDE/Theory: Hussie has written a good ending and a bad ending for the comic, and for the good ending to happen, it will need contribution from the fans. Like, 100k fans sharing it or something like that. HereJOHN: once we all decide we're ready to fight him, i can just zap us all right to him. JOHN: we could take him by surprise again. JOHN: i really doubt he'd be able to handle us if we all clobbered him at once! Also previous page That is the method, not the motivation. For all they care Vriska will deal with LE and they can go to the new universe, knowing they already won. There is no need to do those things John said. LE needs to do something for them to realize he is a threat that needs to be defeated. Defeat Vriska for starters, then do something that actually affects the kids. These updates we are getting right now are pretty much the epilogue for the kids. They are getting ready to make the frog and claim the reward. There is no conflict. If you're so sure in how the comic is going to end then why are are bothering reading Homestuck? |
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 17:09:19 GMT
Did you even read my posts? I am not sure of anything. I think Hussie is about to pull a huge plot twist, but I can't even begin to think what it is.
I'm saying what needs to be done. How it will be done is something only Hussie knows.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 17:13:48 GMT
Did you even read mine? I just posted John stating that "we could take him by surprise again" which we later see him and co do in Caliborn's Masterpiece but you constantly pretending that isn't a thing.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 17:23:00 GMT
Why would John want to do that in the current situation? He just beat HIC and the Jacks, he standing on the victory platform, about to claim the Ultimate Reward and go live happily ever after with his friends. Vriska promised she will deal with LE and he trusts she will do that.
That's my point, if LE doesn't do anything to convince the kids they need to kill him, they will not do it. They won. It's over. It's celebration time.
We know it's not over because we are the audience and we expect the villain to be defeated, but the protagonists have no fucks to give.
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 9, 2016 17:28:42 GMT
Why would John want to do that in the current situation? He just beat HIC and the Jacks, he standing on the victory platform, about to claim the Ultimate Reward and go live happily ever after with his friends. Vriska promised she will deal with LE and he trusts she will do that. What if they wait and wait for Vriska and she never comes? Maybe then the kids will fight Caliborn? |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 9, 2016 17:37:39 GMT
Why would John want to do that in the current situation? He just beat HIC and the Jacks, he standing on the victory platform, about to claim the Ultimate Reward and go live happily ever after with his friends. Vriska promised she will deal with LE and he trusts she will do that. What if they wait and wait for Vriska and she never comes? Maybe then the kids will fight Caliborn? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 17:38:08 GMT
Why would John want to do that in the current situation? He just beat HIC and the Jacks, he standing on the victory platform, about to claim the Ultimate Reward and go live happily ever after with his friends. Sounds like the perfect time to jump Caliborn. Also timeloops do have to fulfilled. |
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Post by Blaperile on Apr 9, 2016 17:40:30 GMT
IDE/Theory: Just when everyone has gathered on the lilypad platform, CD and DD will suddenly appear to try and pull off one last unexpected attack on the heroes. But B1 Jack will convince them to settle the fuck down.
Furthermore, Hearts Boxcars will somehow be retrieved from the horse calendar.
And so all 4 of them can find (versions of) the friends they lost along the way and too get their happy ending.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 18:00:32 GMT
Why would John want to do that in the current situation? He just beat HIC and the Jacks, he standing on the victory platform, about to claim the Ultimate Reward and go live happily ever after with his friends. Sounds like the perfect time to jump Caliborn. Also timeloops do have to fulfilled. They don't know about any timeloops. Only the audience does. They don't want to fight Caliborn. |
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Post by ForestGardener on Apr 9, 2016 18:16:30 GMT
IDE/Theory: Just when everyone has gathered on the lilypad platform, CD and DD will suddenly appear to try and pull off one last unexpected attack on the heroes. But B1 Jack will convince them to settle the fuck down. Furthermore, Hearts Boxcars will somehow be retrieved from the horse calendar. And so all 4 of them can find (versions of) the friends they lost along the way and too get their happy ending. Congratulations on reforming the Midnight Crew. This would make me so happy. |
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 9, 2016 18:33:59 GMT
Sounds like the perfect time to jump Caliborn. Also timeloops do have to fulfilled. They don't know about any timeloops. Only the audience does. They don't want to fight Caliborn. They don't even know who he is, what's his role in this whole mess and where/when to find him. Only John actually met him because of zappy shenanigans, which brought him to Caliborn by sheer luck. A good reason for all 8 kids to go fight him is just missing.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 9, 2016 19:15:51 GMT
You all make good points about the heroes having no motivation to go off to fight Caliborn...
which makes me think they'll be put into a situation where they're FORCED to fight him.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 19:25:01 GMT
You all make good points about the heroes having no motivation to go off to fight Caliborn... which makes me think they'll be put into a situation where they're FORCED to fight him. This. |
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Post by DJay32 on Apr 9, 2016 21:14:15 GMT
Or Caliborn eats their Genesis Frog. *shrugs* Just a thought. (Plus those do, if I recall correctly, glow rainbow-y. And Jade's at least in B1 was in an 8 ball. Rainbow eyeeeees.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 21:16:38 GMT
They don't know about any timeloops. Only the audience does.They don't want to fight Caliborn. Dramatic Irony. |
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 9, 2016 21:23:47 GMT
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 9, 2016 21:34:34 GMT
IDE/Theory: Just when everyone has gathered on the lilypad platform, CD and DD will suddenly appear to try and pull off one last unexpected attack on the heroes. But B1 Jack will convince them to settle the fuck down. Furthermore, Hearts Boxcars will somehow be retrieved from the horse calendar. And so all 4 of them can find (versions of) the friends they lost along the way and too get their happy ending. YEEESSSSS!!! I hope so badly that this happens. Just something to make it all right. Theory: People are saying that right now, John and co. have no reason to go to LE/Caliborn. So what if he came to them instead? Vriska tries to use the house Juju on English, but it fails/turns out to be something that isn't what she expected. LE destroys her, (which would be ok since there's still another Vriska), and teleports to B2, interrupting the big happy party. Just when all hope is lost, Spades Slick's head attached to a robot horse body shows up and pulls Sn0man's pin, somehow saving everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 21:38:46 GMT
IDE:Pulling Snowman's pin will bring Spade Slick back due to causality
Alt!IDE: Spade Slick will comeback due to the power of Not Giving a Damn about Continunity
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 9, 2016 21:42:32 GMT
Just wondering: since killing Snowman destroys the universe (and it already did), what would happen to the universe if Snowman gets brought back to life via her pin on Die's doll?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 21:44:17 GMT
Unraveling of reality?
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 9, 2016 21:48:54 GMT
You all make good points about the heroes having no motivation to go off to fight Caliborn... which makes me think they'll be put into a situation where they're FORCED to fight him. If not Vriska's defeat, I think it will be something that John personally cannot accept, even if there's still a possibility of Vriska defeating LE, it's something so bad that he just won't care about victory anymore. Guys, I think Dad is dead. |
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Post by DJay32 on Apr 9, 2016 22:04:49 GMT
I'm telling you, Caliborn eats their frog. Or, specifically, he eats the Genesis Tadpole right before it can flourish. He would get to the session by that wild theory of "someone says Caliborn's name near Calliope," maybe they'd just switch places, or maybe Calliope would be canon-killed and Caliborn just manifests there because duality (plus there's the theory that the Rings of Life and Void are one and the same, that Calliope's Life literally *is* Caliborn's Void from the Masterpiece). So Caliborn is now with the kids. Why would he eat the Tadpole? Well, cherubs normally feast on stardust, and what are universes (or frogs) if not just a lot of stardust? Plus there's really been a lot of conflating Caliborn with eating bodies, and specifically eating babies, in the story so far. Or. More than one might think upon further examination. So. Eat a frog baby to get its magical rainbow power. Completely devastate the heroes. Then Void yourself away to a dreambubble, where John would finally be like "okay guys we have actually really *got* to go after him now." And the dreambubble they go to is one that was once Calliope's, but now that she is canon-killed and Caliborn has taken her place, it is a stage on a purple spiral instead of a yellow one. From there, do the Masterpiece, suck into the juju, cut to Vriska using the juju with Lord English, bring it all home(stuck) for a climactic Real Last Boss. Then Alt!Calliope, black hole / Green Sun, cause some serious shit. Anything from there, who can say. But I expect post-retcon Vriska to die in the battle, and for Hussie to propose to pre-retcon Vriska yet again with the ring of Life, so the two get canonically married by the end.
I dunno. I think a lot of this is more plausible than it may seem.
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