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Post by partymember57 on Apr 9, 2016 22:10:04 GMT
^ I kind of like that theory a lot. I hope something like this happens.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 9, 2016 22:19:55 GMT
But the tadpole is in the volcano, and it presumably won't be freed until the eruption.
I guess it could still happen somehow, and that would be an interesting way to get his powers, I suppose.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 9, 2016 22:26:32 GMT
Guys, please remember that Caliborn needs the new universe to be created, in order to BE BORN AT ALL.
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Post by DJay32 on Apr 9, 2016 22:35:36 GMT
Yes, but it doesn't necessarily have to be from this precise Tadpole!
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 9, 2016 23:02:15 GMT
Yes, but it doesn't necessarily have to be from this precise Tadpole!
Yes, it is.
It's an established fact that this is a void session, which is not able to bear fruit on its own and needs both the Battlefield and the Tadpole to be brought in from the pre-scratch session.
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Post by DJay32 on Apr 9, 2016 23:17:47 GMT
We also have a person who can literally create things from nothing, things she's never even seen before and that are incredibly complex.
EDIT: And someone who, if his potential is met, can make things come to reality just by believing in them.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 9, 2016 23:20:40 GMT
They don't know about any timeloops. Only the audience does.They don't want to fight Caliborn. Dramatic Irony. What is your point? You are saying the kids will want to fight Caliborn because they need to complete timeloops. I'm saying they don't know about timeloops. Yes, that's dramatic irony. So? Doesn't change my argument. They don't know, therefore they don't care. Look, let me make a request: stop thinking for a moment from the point of viewpoint of someone who is part of the fandom and start thinking from the viewpoint of the kids. Why should the kids, knowing fully well that Vriska is going to kill LE for them, and that they are about to win the game and claim their reward, want to go on a dangerous mission to kill LE? Would you, as one of the kids, say "hey guys I know we are about to win but what about we go risk our lives to kill a supervillain who is trillions of kilometers away from us and who doesn't seen to have any intention of interacting with us"? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 23:36:51 GMT
What is your point? You are saying the kids will want to fight Caliborn because they need to complete timeloops. I'm saying they don't know about timeloops. Yes, that's dramatic irony. So? Doesn't change my argument. They don't know, therefore they don't care. Look, let me make a request: stop thinking for a moment from the point of viewpoint of someone who is part of the fandom and start thinking from the viewpoint of the kids. Why should the kids, knowing fully well that Vriska is going to kill LE for them, and that they are about to win the game and claim their reward, want to go on a dangerous mission to kill LE? Would you, as one of the kids, say "hey guys I know we are about to win but what about we go risk our lives to kill a supervillain who is trillions of kilometers away from us and who doesn't seen to have any intention of interacting with us"? At least you understand what dramatic irony is. I'll bite mostly because it seems fun: Because as John, I have a feeling that Caliborn is someone we going to take down. So I plan to use my retcon powers to jump him in sneak attack. I mean I caught in surprise in the first time so it should be a lot easier with a larger group. What could possible go wrong?  This is something that is explained in the comic. I linked to the relevant quotes where John says this. So I have no reason to doubt that what's he going to do. |
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Post by PieTheDerptacular on Apr 9, 2016 23:57:42 GMT
You all make good points about the heroes having no motivation to go off to fight Caliborn... which makes me think they'll be put into a situation where they're FORCED to fight him. If not Vriska's defeat, I think it will be something that John personally cannot accept, even if there's still a possibility of Vriska defeating LE, it's something so bad that he just won't care about victory anymore. Guys, I think Dad is dead. That could be what the 'johndad' panels are about. But then, would John really care that much if Dad died? I mean, it's not technically his dad. |
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Post by randomwriter on Apr 10, 2016 0:08:09 GMT
To be honest, I picture Caliborn doing worse.
EG: LE warps into the session, and proceeds to catch everyone unawares.
Kanaya, dead.
Casey, ded.
The Mayor, PM, Paint, ded.
Caliborn proceeds to jeer everyone, and taunts them, leading to John warping them there to fight him. As Caliborn planned/knew would happen.
Cue a call back to S u c k e r s.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 0:18:09 GMT
To be honest, I picture Caliborn doing worse. EG: LE warps into the session, and proceeds to catch everyone unawares. Kanaya, dead. Casey, ded. The Mayor, PM, Paint, ded. Caliborn proceeds to jeer everyone, and taunts them, leading to John warping them there to fight him. As Caliborn planned/knew would happen. Cue a call back to S u c k e r s.
Yeah, Caliborn still needs them to go fight him in order to become Lord English, and he knows that. Even if he seems to be just an arrogant asshole with no ability to formulate plans more complex than "I'll hit you with a heavy object until you bleed to death", he still is a f**king god-tier LORD OF TIME, so he clearly knows perfectly well how to orchestrate and use time loops to his advantage, at least on an instinctive level.
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 10, 2016 0:51:33 GMT
At least you understand what dramatic irony is. I'll bite mostly because it seems fun: Because as John, I have a feeling that Caliborn is someone we going to take down. So I plan to use my retcon powers to jump him in sneak attack. I mean I caught in surprise in the first time so it should be a lot easier with a larger group. What could possible go wrong? This is something that is explained in the comic. I linked to the relevant quotes where John says this. So I have no reason to doubt that what's he going to do. I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense at all. John wouldn't dare risk erasing the entire story and everything they just accomplished unless it seemed absolutely necessary, especially when he thinks that Vriska is going to kill Lord English anyway. Something bad has to happen to make him go back. We already have something to suggest this, the fact that he doesn't bring the trolls. |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 10, 2016 1:46:21 GMT
Just wondering: since killing Snowman destroys the universe (and it already did), what would happen to the universe if Snowman gets brought back to life via her pin on Die's doll? Pink Sun? But seriously, if that was going to be a thing that was gonna happen, I would think Snowman's pin would be involved, given the role her death played in the creation of the Green Sun. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 2:13:06 GMT
At least you understand what dramatic irony is. I'll bite mostly because it seems fun: Because as John, I have a feeling that Caliborn is someone we going to take down. So I plan to use my retcon powers to jump him in sneak attack. I mean I caught in surprise in the first time so it should be a lot easier with a larger group. What could possible go wrong? This is something that is explained in the comic. I linked to the relevant quotes where John says this. So I have no reason to doubt that what's he going to do. I'm sorry, but this doesn't make any sense at all. John wouldn't dare risk erasing the entire story and everything they just accomplished unless it seemed absolutely necessary, especially when he thinks that Vriska is going to kill Lord English anyway. Something bad has to happen to make him go back. We already have something to suggest this, the fact that he doesn't bring the trolls. All I been saying that Caliborn's Masterpiece is still very relevant and has yet to transpired from the Kid's perspective. If there is extra motivation for John and Co to fight Caliborn I'm fine with that but saying the Masterpiece won't occur would be a serious misstep in Homestuck's narration. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 9:25:52 GMT
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Post by NorthernDruid on Apr 10, 2016 13:20:56 GMT
Union Jack's head-explosion-induced black hole leads to the green sun. Alt!Calliope will get a hold of Die's doll which slick had in his posession (unless he did return it to Die?) and which was sucked into the black hole. She'll use it and/or the crowbar and/or the green sun cuestaff to destroy the green sun.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 15:54:45 GMT
BTW, why is everyone (including Calliope, who seems to be able to actually do it) so bent on destroying the Green Sun?
That made sense in pre-Cascade times when it was the source of Bec Noir's gamebreaking powers... but now Bec Noir has been defeated, PM has removed her ring, Doc Scratch is dead, GCat is out of the picture, and even if Lord English is getting some powers from the Green Sun, those just seem to be a very minor part of all his powers. The only true effect of destroying the Green Sun would be to depower Jade, of all things.
Unless, of course, the absurd time/space configuration of the furthest ring comes into play, and the Green Sun gets actually destroyed at some moment in time when it was important (f.e. when Doc Scratch was still alive), thus rewriting some of the previous events. So, either its destruction will be completely useless, or it will lead to a paradox. In both cases, it doesn't really look like a good idea.
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Post by imglasses on Apr 10, 2016 16:19:53 GMT
BTW, why is everyone (including Calliope, who seems to be able to actually do it) so bent on destroying the Green Sun? That made sense in pre-Cascade times when it was the source of Bec Noir's gamebreaking powers... but now Bec Noir has been defeated, PM has removed her ring, Doc Scratch is dead, GCat is out of the picture, and even if Lord English is getting some powers from the Green Sun, those just seem to be a very minor part of all his powers. The only true effect of destroying the Green Sun would be to depower Jade, of all things. Unless, of course, the absurd time/space configuration of the furthest ring comes into play, and the Green Sun gets actually destroyed at some moment in time when it was important (f.e. when Doc Scratch was still alive), thus rewriting some of the previous events. So, either its destruction will be completely useless, or it will lead to a paradox. In both cases, it doesn't really look like a good idea. The only one who really seems to care about destroying the Green Sun is alternate Calliope, whose motivations are still pretty mysterious. I'm guessing we'll see in Act 7 what the benefit of destroying the Green Sun is (assuming alt. Calliope has benevolent intentions). She seemed to imply that she wanted first guardian powers for herself: "JADE: and i have all these powers! JADE: really GOOD powers JADE: maybe even... the BEST powers? CALLIOPE: yes, they are the best powers. JADE: so why cant i just wake up and USE them?? CALLIOPE: powers such as yours are a great asset, but in time, become an even greater liability. CALLIOPE: that is why you sleep. JADE: i dont understand! CALLIOPE: you will not be able to control them for the purpose of your mission. CALLIOPE: you are barely in control of your most modest capabilities. CALLIOPE: you are still quite young, and your kind is soft. CALLIOPE: the ability to absolutely dominate is better housed in a being designed for seclusion, singularity of purpose, and remorseless resolve. CALLIOPE: it is too much for one like you." |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 10, 2016 17:52:27 GMT
I don't know what purpose the destruction of the Green Sun would happen, but considering how Alt!Calliope spoke, it is probably going to happen. Here are some reasons:
-depowering Lord English
-massively destroying the Furthest Ring
-opening up a hole for the heros to escape Paradox Space altogether.
Regardless of the reason, it is definately happening.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 18:24:26 GMT
I don't know what purpose the destruction of the Green Sun would happen, but considering how Alt!Calliope spoke, it is probably going to happen. Here are some reasons: -depowering Lord English -massively destroying the Furthest Ring -opening up a hole for the heros to escape Paradox Space altogether. Regardless of the reason, it is definately happening.
Or at least very hinted to. But seriously, the reason why it should be destroyed, and the timeframe (for different observers) in which that is going to happen, are not clear at all.
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Post by mysterypig on Apr 10, 2016 19:16:20 GMT
The beta house didn't have a door like the trolls' did |
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 10, 2016 22:00:10 GMT
The beta house didn't have a door like the trolls' did That's just because they haven't created the universe yet, but that red door is hella ominous regardless. |
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 22:03:16 GMT
The beta house didn't have a door like the trolls' did That's just because they haven't created the universe yet, but that red door is hella ominous regardless. That's just the color of the Sburb logo in the Alpha session; the door would have been green if the Beta kids had managed to complete their game instead of requiring a scratch.
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 10, 2016 23:14:48 GMT
Calling it now: The last two pages are basically a SBAHJ style "THE EDN", followed by the curtains closing. |
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 10, 2016 23:23:33 GMT
Calling it now: The last two pages are basically a SBAHJ style "THE EDN", followed by the curtains closing.
And then, credits roll and we discover Homestuck was actually written by a guy locked in a jail, between one escape attempt and the next.
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