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Post by Neptz on Jun 16, 2016 16:22:21 GMT
is there anything that can't be bullshitted using ectobiology when it comes to the kids' genetics or w/e
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Post by errorgamer on Jun 16, 2016 16:27:39 GMT
I liked the ending.
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Post by vaiyt on Jun 16, 2016 16:39:35 GMT
Alpha dirk used to practically threaten Jake. Not just once, but in several bits of pesterlog. Those logs got retconned. What? When? Proof? (Also That One Guy, DAE means Does Anybody Else, a question to which the answer is invariably "Yes") To elaborate further, DAE always precedes a common opinion that the poster pretends is uncommon so they get validation for being such a special snowflake that doesn't go with the herd. "Popular things you dislike" threads usually end up full of those.
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Post by Sharkalien on Jun 16, 2016 17:24:29 GMT
Its ending doesn't invalidate Homestuck as a good web comic
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Post by Neptz on Jun 16, 2016 17:48:14 GMT
Yeah, agreeing with Shark here. So many people instantly abandon the comic they loved for years because of a ending. A goddamn ending. Don't be like this, people. Does it suck more than it used to because of the ending? Yeah. But it's not terrible.
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Post by imglasses on Jun 16, 2016 18:03:06 GMT
Agreed. Even though I complain about the ending a lot, I still consider Homestuck to be just about the best fictional work I've ever read/seen overall (I wouldn't have used the words "just about" before I saw the ending, but still). I'm not sure how unpopular that opinion actually is, though. If people truly stopped caring about the comic, they wouldn't still be here debating the ending, trying to find an explanation that they can accept.
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Post by lyla on Jun 16, 2016 22:03:02 GMT
It's not that they stopped caring, if anything they care more, but out of disappointment. If they didn't care, an ending they hate wouldn't have affected them as much.
I for one didn't stop caring at all and still love Homestuck and such, but that ending really was a let down. It doesn't work better even if I read everything pre-GO and reach the end like that. Anyway, this is definetely not an unpopolar opinion, given what I've been reading the past two months.
The probably unpopular opinion of the day is, Rosemary became kinda boring.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 16, 2016 22:27:42 GMT
Eridan kinda sorta had a point when he went on his rampage(not that the rampage itself was right). Everyone was just sitting around clinging on to all sort of convoluted plans and pipe dreams and he wanted to actually try to deal to the most pressing problem they were facing. He destroyed the matriorb to illustrate the fragility and futility of said pipe dreams and to try and get people to recognise how shitty the situation was.
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Post by Neptz on Jun 16, 2016 22:31:08 GMT
Yeah. While his methods were... less than agreeable, he did have sort of a point.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 17, 2016 0:22:28 GMT
honestly i view every homestuck character as white because with all the information we have on them and on a racial background it doesn't seem like any of them would be really dark skinned except maybe jade. Racial background doesn't really mean anything because the four human parents are clones of themselves, and don't have a genetic "background". John said Bro is white, which means Dave, Rose, Dirk, and Roxy are all "technically" white, though if people headcanon them differently it doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure John, Jade, Jane, and Jake could be anything. Wait, why would Bro being white make Dave, Rose, and Roxy white, technically or otherwise? I mean, doesn't that just mean that Dave and Rose would be at least part white, and Roxy can still be whatever?
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Post by legendary on Jun 17, 2016 0:58:49 GMT
Correct, alleywaycreeper. The real evidence for all eight Homestuck humans being white is that they are described as being pink by John. While this could still allow lighter non-Caucasian characters, it seems very clear that Hussie instinctively thought of the set as "white", at least in early 2010. Not that I think this should affect anyone's headcanons - it's more an interesting way of examining the racial equivalent of heteronormativity. Caucasianormativity? Whitenormativety? Whatever.
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Post by GreatKaiserNui on Jun 17, 2016 2:10:02 GMT
I prefer the fan creations over the comic. Don't go judging me: The comic is good but it's huge and hard to comprehend sometimes. But most of the characters are actually universal archetypes and work really well on their own and their, even now, is so much unexplored lore. I just find the ideas about this fandom so much more attractive then the great slow moving, potential trashing train wreck of the web comic itself.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 17, 2016 2:25:58 GMT
I gotta tell you, I was expecting a lot more negativity when I decided to plunge in here. I'm (happily) surprised to see several iterations on "[X] wasn't actually that bad." Here's mine! Act 6 Intermission 3, the three Meenah walkarounds in particular, aren't just not bad. They're a high point in Homestuck overall. Getting to meet the pre-scratch ancestors through her eyes is ridiculously fun. Each one of them is amusing and interesting in their own ways, yet show signs of character depth that lend to the significance of their alternate selves, their future actions, or the potential they represent as the initial session of this extended chain of failures. Yes, even Cronus. I don't think that's unpopular. The A6I3 walkarounds were phenomenally well-done, introduced 10 very interesting new characters, and showed the passing of time for the kids during their 3 year journey better than any of the Meteor Antics ever did. It's just that AFTER the walkarounds, we find out that none of the characters we met do anything in the plot and all they did was kill the pacing for no good reason. So it's not the walkarounds' faults, it's that the rest of the comic didn't utilize them. Unpopular opinion: Hivebent kinda sucked, at least pacing-wise. It was way too long to be a compressed overview, but it skipped over all the important events and half the cool events were only ever implied or shown in snippets in the finale flash. Its bad pacing ended up probably making Act 5-2 a lot longer than originally intended, too. Unpopular opinion: I thought the retcon was one of the single coolest events in any webcomic ever. Its end result was stupid, but the actual process of retconning the comic to fix everything that went drastically wrong was awesome and helped as a stealth recap of Act 5-2 (since Hussie gave up on doing actual recaps). Unpopular opinion: I've always envisioned Karkat's voice to be very deep and very gravelly no matter what he's saying or the emotions he's feeling. The whiny higher-pitched voice that fan VAs used to always give him (I miss the days when homestuck was popular enough to have a VA community) always really irked me. Karkalicious is the bane of my existence.
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Post by quixoticTokki on Jun 17, 2016 2:51:04 GMT
Unpopular opinion: I've always envisioned Karkat's voice to be very deep and very gravelly no matter what he's saying or the emotions he's feeling. The whiny higher-pitched voice that fan VAs used to always give him (I miss the days when homestuck was popular enough to have a VA community) always really irked me. Karkalicious is the bane of my existence. Yeah I've never too been big on the "general consensus" for what Karkat's voice would sound like. I've voice-casted just about every character in Homestuck in my head, and for me I always pictured him sounding like BJ Novak...idk why but it fits to me. A lot of the Karkat voices I've heard just sound too...cartoony to me? I mean I imagine Tavros sounding sort of like Beast Boy lol, but other than that I like to give them all pretty "normal" sounding voices.
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Post by tentacleTherapist on Jun 17, 2016 3:55:45 GMT
I don't know the consensus on this topic, but I feel like the comic should've focused more on the game-content that was mostly dropped in the later stages of the comic and filled out the Mythos of Sburb.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Jun 17, 2016 4:12:08 GMT
Unpopular opinion: I thought the retcon was one of the single coolest events in any webcomic ever. Its end result was stupid, but the actual process of retconning the comic to fix everything that went drastically wrong was awesome and helped as a stealth recap of Act 5-2 (since Hussie gave up on doing actual recaps). Agreed. I don't know the consensus on this topic, but I feel like the comic should've focused more on the game-content that was mostly dropped in the later stages of the comic and filled out the Mythos of Sburb. I agree in that while I'm not devastated we didn't get more info about the mythos of S==>b, I feel it really hurt the comic that game mechanics and the game itself took a backseat for so long. It made everything feel far less urgent, especially compared to the pace of Acts 1-5.
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Post by melonlord on Jun 17, 2016 4:29:40 GMT
Unpopular opinion: I thought the retcon was one of the single coolest events in any webcomic ever. Its end result was stupid, but the actual process of retconning the comic to fix everything that went drastically wrong was awesome and helped as a stealth recap of Act 5-2 (since Hussie gave up on doing actual recaps). I liked the potential and idea of the retcon a lot, but in execution it felt a lot like a magical "win the game" button. If it had been shown to have some kind of consequence, or if it had been used to give the characters a second chance to work through their issues rather than wiping them out or burying them, or really used for anything besides making Vriska the Chosen One, I would have been a lot happier with it. Unpopular opinion: The ending wasn't a happy one at all. Everyone ended up kind of screwed, actually.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 17, 2016 6:17:43 GMT
Unpopular Opinion(I think): Calliope was a really minor character to me. I would've been fine with her being so, but a lot of the comic, Roxy's actions in particular, acted like she was someone that we the audience were supposed to be emotionally invested in and I just wasn't. I couldn't even tell you her personality beyond "Socially awkward and uses British spellings".
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Post by imglasses on Jun 17, 2016 14:30:55 GMT
Racial background doesn't really mean anything because the four human parents are clones of themselves, and don't have a genetic "background". John said Bro is white, which means Dave, Rose, Dirk, and Roxy are all "technically" white, though if people headcanon them differently it doesn't really matter. I'm pretty sure John, Jade, Jane, and Jake could be anything. Wait, why would Bro being white make Dave, Rose, and Roxy white, technically or otherwise? I mean, doesn't that just mean that Dave and Rose would be at least part white, and Roxy can still be whatever? Yeah, you're right, at first I thought John had called Dave white. But again, even though Hussie kind of accidentally refers to the kids as white sometimes, he clearly intends for their races to be ambiguous. Unpopular opinion: Aradia isn't creepy at all. She's really nice and would realistically probably be one of the easiest characters to get along with. And her whole "I'm not really invested in this, I just want to see what the destruction looks like" thing is completely understandable.
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Post by GreatKaiserNui on Jun 18, 2016 4:48:11 GMT
I am of the opinion that if we had given Hussie forever to finish the comic, he would have eventually stopped updating it altogether.
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Post by obsidalicious on Jun 18, 2016 5:05:19 GMT
I am of the opinion that if we had given Hussie forever to finish the comic, he would have eventually stopped updating it altogether. What exactly do you mean by giving Hussie more time? I don't recall many people demanding that it had to be done within 7 years. Even if there were, they certainly don't hold any actual authority and didn't actually force his hand.
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Post by Gab on Jun 19, 2016 0:06:14 GMT
I have to admit, there is something sort of... liberating? In the fact that even the opinions I don't agree with I don't mind at all. Somehow, being in this place, it becomes much easier to accept that they're just opinions I disagree with, that I don't need to and shouldn't acknowledge and try to argue them, and most everyone else feels the same way about the opinions they disagree with that I like. Very zen. Unpopular opinion: I've always envisioned Karkat's voice to be very deep and very gravelly no matter what he's saying or the emotions he's feeling. The whiny higher-pitched voice that fan VAs used to always give him (I miss the days when homestuck was popular enough to have a VA community) always really irked me. Karkalicious is the bane of my existence. I don't know if you intended this but it's kind of funny to have you in one sentence compliment the VAs then in the very next bash them, or at least what I presume to be the popular ones. I never payed very much attention to that beyond Octopimp while he was in vogue. I always had my pretty distinct headcanons about the voices that I had trouble letting go of them. Even though a lot of them honestly suck and several characters sound near identical in my head. Off topic, but is there a voice headcanon thread in here? Probably wouldn't be much point, but ..... Here's another unpopular opinion, this one I think could be pretty controversial but oh well whatever I'll try to phrase it carefully: It always irked me when people took Terezi's fight with Gamzee in A6A6I2 as an example or analogue of domestic abuse. Kind of like with the relationship with Bro and Dave, bringing in those terms and that viewpoint on the situation made me viscerally uncomfortable, just now how I like to see it at all, but it was virtually impossible for me to voice this opinion without asking for a shitstorm to rain down on me, since under that light the situation serves as inspiration for people in real life who are or have been in actual abusive relationships, since Terezi is resisting and overcoming her "abuser". Personally, beyond Rose questioning whether the whole beatdown falls within the bounds of kismessisitude or not, I barely viewed the whole thing through a romantic or emotional lens at all. Like, I don't think many people bring up that kind of thing nearly as much with Vriska and Tavros when she killed him. Vriska/Gamzee was a toxic danger to everyone that might consider them a friend, Tavros/Terezi took it upon themselves to confront said danger, prior relationships be damned. Anyway, I don't know if that was really an unpopular opinion or not, just something I was afraid to say anywhere else, but felt the need to get out there anyway. Sorry.
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Post by Arashi500 on Jun 19, 2016 0:45:21 GMT
Gamzee remains a thoroughly interesting character from beginning to end.
SBaHJ are actually genuinely unironically funny at a few points.
I wish there had been more Strife sequences.
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Post by thedude3445 on Jun 19, 2016 2:25:49 GMT
Unpopular opinion: I've always envisioned Karkat's voice to be very deep and very gravelly no matter what he's saying or the emotions he's feeling. The whiny higher-pitched voice that fan VAs used to always give him (I miss the days when homestuck was popular enough to have a VA community) always really irked me. Karkalicious is the bane of my existence. I don't know if you intended this but it's kind of funny to have you in one sentence compliment the VAs then in the very next bash them, or at least what I presume to be the popular ones. I never payed very much attention to that beyond Octopimp while he was in vogue. I always had my pretty distinct headcanons about the voices that I had trouble letting go of them. Even though a lot of them honestly suck and several characters sound near identical in my head. Off topic, but is there a voice headcanon thread in here? Probably wouldn't be much point, but ..... Haha I had a love/hate relationship with the entire community for its existence. On one hand, it was awesome that so many people were trying to take Homestuck and make something unique with it that could never be done in the original comic. On the other hand, most of what the VAs ended up doing was singing broadway songs and doing Yaoi shipping videos. Homestuck was a very strange fandom after its Anime Fan influx in early-to-mid-2011 up until the influx of readers due to the Kickstarter in fall 2012. It wasn't quite a "Tumblr Fandom" but it wasn't the weird niche webcomic fandom it originally was. My headcanons were usually completely different than the typical fan VAs: -John: about the same, but a little younger sounding than most, maybe less nasally? Probably the only boy character that could have been pulled off with a female VA, though it probably would have ended up being Dee Bradley Baker lol. -Rose: Gray Delisle. She looked like Mandy from Billy & Mandy, ok? -Dave: Honestly, kind of like Andrew Hussie's voice, but deeper. Pretty monotone and flat, just like his lack of usual reaction. -Jade: VAs usually did well with her. -Karkat: Already went over. -Aradia: VAs usually did well with her. Soft, distant voice. Even when she's alive, she's still pretty quiet. -Tavros: Much, much deeper voice. Kind of like my headcanon Karkat, but without any gravellyness and more monotone except for the beginnings of words (bECAUSE,, oF, hIS qUIRK,,,). Always sounds really nervous and such. A little like the generic Dumb Character in cartoons but not as cartoony about it. -Sollux: Nasally and with a lisp. They usually get him right. Post-blindness he's basically lispless and more soft/distant like Aradia, but still nasally and generic nerd-sounding. -Nepeta: VAs usually couldn't differentiate her with Jade very well, but I always heard her with a bit more of a kindhearted, young girl giggling type voice. The kind of girl in a cartoon that would be the Cloud Cuckoolander, but without the weirdness that goes along with it. -Kanaya: Also way more monotone than most VAs gave. Anyone Who Does All Caps At The Beginnings Of Words, You Sound Really Monotone To Me. It Just Makes Me Want To Emphasize Every Single Beginning Of Every Single Word. -Terezi: Gilbert Gottfried but female, and a little higher pitched (kind of how a lot of Vriska VAs did). Most people's Meenahs are similar to my Terezi (and also my Meenah too, they're pretty similar in my head). -Vriska: Usually done well. Extremely high-pitched like a super-evil female villain character who cackles a lot. Gamegrl but more maniacal. Though my alternate headcanon.....-Equius: The most monotone of them all; very robotic speech and very deep. Some VAs did really well with this. -Gamzee: Kind of like a stoner voice, but a very wavy pitch to reflect his quirk, going up and down as he speaks. In sober form, creepy whispering and Karkat-esque yelling every other sentence. -Eridan: Not Octopimp. High-pitched, and arrogant-sounding. An American version of Malfoy? Also, the vv sounds he'd make were elongated Vs rather than Ws, though this might be the most unpopular opinion of them all. Because of this video, I always though Neil Patrick Harris could do a good job. Though I really enjoy Ugly Story, surprisingly, so I could deal with a female VA for this one pretty well. -Feferi: IDFC, who actually cares about Feferi. Though I always pronounce her name with emphasis on the first syllable like FEFeri, rather than saying it like "Clefairy" (which is the canon Hussie-approved way). Oops, headcanon voice thread
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Post by Sharkalien on Jun 19, 2016 2:37:32 GMT
"Gilbert Gottfried but female" hahaha holy shit, if that isn't a perfect description of Terezi's voice, I don't know what is
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