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Post by jondanger23 on Aug 12, 2016 22:40:54 GMT
Act 1 was actually pretty good.
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Post by ashercrane on Aug 13, 2016 0:19:24 GMT
Act 1 was actually pretty good. I'm not sure that's neccessarily an unpopular opinion, it's just hard to get through for a lot of people the first time.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 14, 2016 9:14:54 GMT
I find Act 1 entertaining, but there's a real feeling of pointlessness to most of it.
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Post by Piono on Aug 15, 2016 5:32:04 GMT
Act 1 was amusing, and as the beginning to a different work, would've been great. I love Act 1, especially since those kinds of shenanigans, in smaller doses, were part of what make Homestuck so amazing. It's just that people who come in expecting the plot kind of stuff aren't going to find it until later.
Anyways, I find Vriska an enjoyable character to have in the cast. Had her character development been better handled, she would've made a great member of the main cast.
Also, Dave is a HIDEOUSLY terrible rapper, and honestly doesn't have that great a grasp on how irony works, really only hitting it on accident when he does.
Finally, I honestly don't understand what's so great about the trolls. I honestly almost skipped Act 5 Act 1's second half on my first readthrough it was just that hard to plug through.
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Post by GreatKaiserNui on Aug 15, 2016 22:36:30 GMT
Act 1 was amusing, and as the beginning to a different work, would've been great. I love Act 1, especially since those kinds of shenanigans, in smaller doses, were part of what make Homestuck so amazing. It's just that people who come in expecting the plot kind of stuff aren't going to find it until later. Anyways, I find Vriska an enjoyable character to have in the cast. Had her character development been better handled, she would've made a great member of the main cast. Also, Dave is a HIDEOUSLY terrible rapper, and honestly doesn't have that great a grasp on how irony works, really only hitting it on accident when he does. Finally, I honestly don't understand what's so great about the trolls. I honestly almost skipped Act 5 Act 1's second half on my first readthrough it was just that hard to plug through. Maybe Hussie himself does not understand Irony and that's why his attempts are so hit-and-miss.
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Post by Georgie on Aug 16, 2016 16:00:19 GMT
Finally, I honestly don't understand what's so great about the trolls. I honestly almost skipped Act 5 Act 1's second half on my first readthrough it was just that hard to plug through. Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the trolls either. Both the species and many of the individuals. I imagine that I most likely would have been more invested in their exploits had I been a serial reader at the time of Hivebent, but reading through all of that archivally was pretty tedious. The fact that about half of them clearly didn't have much of a point to existing other than to complete the Zodiac didn't do much to help. Also, Dave is a HIDEOUSLY terrible rapper, and honestly doesn't have that great a grasp on how irony works, really only hitting it on accident when he does. Maybe Hussie himself does not understand Irony and that's why his attempts are so hit-and-miss. I've always assumed that it was deliberate. Dave knows that he's not a particularly good rapper (in fact, he's bad at it on purpose), but he pretends to think that he's amazing, which is ironic, but he's also aware of this irony and points it out, making fun of himself for it, which is ironic in itself. However, we, the audience, are able to see how ridiculously this second layer of irony comes across, so we find it amusing, which is also somewhat ironic in itself. Homestuck has always been a pretty self aware work, so I believe that Hussie knew what he was doing. What could be funnier than ironically bad ironically bad ironically bad attempts at being cool?
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Post by rogueoflight on Aug 17, 2016 13:39:33 GMT
My unpopular opinions: I still ship JohnVris, DaveRezi, RoseMary and JadeKat I like the ending The Beforans are interesting in their own right, and it would have been great if they were explored more
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Post by Piono on Aug 17, 2016 16:25:54 GMT
I'm not certain if the first one is an unpopular opinion, or the last one, which is funny because those are the two I actually agree with. ;-; I'm not edgy enough.
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Post by guest on Aug 24, 2016 2:50:41 GMT
I didn't read the rest of this thread, but I thought that Act 6 (the beginning, alpha kid introduction) would've gone by a lot quicker if everyone wasn't so caught up in the teenage drama. It got ridiculous after a certain point.
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Post by guest on Aug 24, 2016 2:53:16 GMT
Wait, my theory probably isn't all that unpopular, actually, and probably has been stated a few times.
Not like I can remove it anyway.
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Post by inspiredsimji on Aug 25, 2016 4:06:08 GMT
Acts 1-5 were good, everything after Cascade was absolute garbage and (this part ain't unpopular) the ending was one of the worst endings to anything, ever.
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Post by cookiefonster on Aug 25, 2016 11:37:18 GMT
Acts 1-5 were good, everything after Cascade was absolute garbage and (this part ain't unpopular) the ending was one of the worst endings to anything, ever. That isn't even close to unpopular. A lot of people think Act 6 sucks.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 25, 2016 18:34:17 GMT
I liked Act 6. And I honestly didn't mind the relationship drama, as it was far more restrained and realistic (all considering) than it generally has been in other things. The only things I didn't really like about Act 6 was anything involving Vriska and/or Meenah, and I'm sort of lukewarm on the meteor shenanigans.
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Post by moirail on Aug 26, 2016 2:11:50 GMT
Caliborn is adorable.
I dislike Karkat. (please do not hate on me)
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Post by amiabletemplar on Aug 27, 2016 20:29:07 GMT
Caliborn is adorable. I dislike Karkat. (please do not hate on me) Eh. Neither of these opinions is really hate-worthy. Caliborn can elicit a certain adorableness response purely through his flailing around like an angry child--though I'm kind of curious how his blatant and rather caustic misogyny (and maybe his zero-or-even-negative awareness of his own homosexual/homoerotic tendencies) factors into how "cute" he seems. And honestly, Karkat seems like kind of a hard person to get along with. I like him because of the strength of his convictions, even though he can be a coward; I can absolutely understand someone disliking him because he can be an unpleasant prick. I just have too many RL friends who could be described as "can be an unpleasant prick" to really use that as a standard of judgment. For my own unpopular opinions: Rufioh is actually an okay person--flawed but good-hearted. Vriska is equally responsible for Aranea's freakout, because V's showboating and personality characteristics rubbed off on Aranea. Calliope isn't as innocent as she seems; she wraps other people around her little finger and gets them to do things through insinuation, implication, or suggestion. She's not evil and doesn't use her abilities for that purpose, but she very easily could have--and few people recognize how dangerous she could have been if her role and Caliborn's had been reversed.
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Post by thedude3445 on Aug 28, 2016 3:26:54 GMT
Finally, I honestly don't understand what's so great about the trolls. I honestly almost skipped Act 5 Act 1's second half on my first readthrough it was just that hard to plug through. Honestly, for almost every single friend I got into Homestuck back in 2010, 2011, and even 2012, every single one of them but one stopped during Hivebent, either for a while or permanently. I even stopped at Hivebent; I read the first four acts within the first three days of me reading it in late October/early November 2010, but then I got bored with Hivebent and put off finishing it until January 2011 (which I regret, I would have gotten to see Jade: Wake Up/Enter and John: Rise Up serially ;_;). It really was a huge barrier to getting people into the fandom in my experience even though so much of the fandom eventually became centered around the trolls. That may have been a more widespread thing among the entire fandom, but I don't really recall people saying it at the time so maybe it wasn't.
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Post by obsidalicious on Aug 28, 2016 3:46:54 GMT
Finally, I honestly don't understand what's so great about the trolls. I honestly almost skipped Act 5 Act 1's second half on my first readthrough it was just that hard to plug through. Honestly, for almost every single friend I got into Homestuck back in 2010, 2011, and even 2012, every single one of them but one stopped during Hivebent, either for a while or permanently. I even stopped at Hivebent; I read the first four acts within the first three days of me reading it in late October/early November 2010, but then I got bored with Hivebent and put off finishing it until January 2011 (which I regret, I would have gotten to see Jade: Wake Up/Enter and John: Rise Up serially ;_;). It really was a huge barrier to getting people into the fandom in my experience even though so much of the fandom eventually became centered around the trolls. That may have been a more widespread thing among the entire fandom, but I don't really recall people saying it at the time so maybe it wasn't. All things considered I don't think the success of Homestuck comes from the Trolls per se, but rather the easy create-an-OC kit they represent. Just as there's a billion Sonic OCs because of how easy it is to make one([symbolic-name] the [animal] who is [colour] and has [athletic specialty]), People like to make Troll OCs also because of how easy it is ([6 letter gibberish] [6 letter gibberish] the [blood type] with [symbol] and [animal type] lusus with horns that are [reminiscent of the lusus and/or symbol] shaped and has [typing quirk])
So I think it's the species of the Trolls rather than the specific characters we're given that is popular. So although it may not be obvious, I think that the general feeling for the Troll Characters might actually be less positive than it would seem, and thus, technically, not a hugely unpopular opinion to dislike them.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Aug 31, 2016 7:09:59 GMT
Honestly, for almost every single friend I got into Homestuck back in 2010, 2011, and even 2012, every single one of them but one stopped during Hivebent, either for a while or permanently. I even stopped at Hivebent; I read the first four acts within the first three days of me reading it in late October/early November 2010, but then I got bored with Hivebent and put off finishing it until January 2011 (which I regret, I would have gotten to see Jade: Wake Up/Enter and John: Rise Up serially ;_;). It really was a huge barrier to getting people into the fandom in my experience even though so much of the fandom eventually became centered around the trolls. That may have been a more widespread thing among the entire fandom, but I don't really recall people saying it at the time so maybe it wasn't. All things considered I don't think the success of Homestuck comes from the Trolls per se, but rather the easy create-an-OC kit they represent. Just as there's a billion Sonic OCs because of how easy it is to make one([symbolic-name] the [animal] who is and has [athletic specialty]), People like to make Troll OCs also because of how easy it is ([6 letter gibberish] [6 letter gibberish] the [blood type] with [symbol] and [animal type] lusus with horns that are [reminiscent of the lusus and/or symbol] shaped and has [typing quirk])
So I think it's the species of the Trolls rather than the specific characters we're given that is popular. So although it may not be obvious, I think that the general feeling for the Troll Characters might actually be less positive than it would seem, and thus, technically, not a hugely unpopular opinion to dislike them.Yes, that and the classpect system makes for the perfect mix-and-match fanfic OC fuel kind of thing.
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Post by The One Guy on Aug 31, 2016 14:39:15 GMT
Rufioh is actually an okay person--flawed but good-hearted. Is this unpopular? I'm not saying that in the normal "it's more popular than you think" way; I'm genuinely curious. While granted the tpic hasn't come up much, I have yet to see anyone who thinks Rufio is a bad person.
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Post by amiabletemplar on Sept 1, 2016 1:02:39 GMT
Rufioh is actually an okay person--flawed but good-hearted. Is this unpopular? I'm not saying that in the normal "it's more popular than you think" way; I'm genuinely curious. While granted the tpic hasn't come up much, I have yet to see anyone who thinks Rufio is a bad person. Well, my subjective understanding of the situation has said yeah, this is an unpopular opinion. He gets characterized as a vicious philanderer, a deceiver and a cheat, because he didn't have the courage to formally/openly break off with Damara. I've literally heard people say that he's worse than Cronus. Just as a reminder, Cronus actually assaulted a mentally-handicapped person. Hating on Rufioh absolutely seemed in vogue. If I were being uncharitable, I'd blame it on overly-zealous "feminists" (note quotes) hyperfocusing on mistreatment of female characters over other considerations; as it is, I think it's just that the teenage audience of Homestuck takes cheating far too seriously. (Though, I'll note, *I* take cheating very seriously myself--but not to the point that I consider it worse than sexually assaulting a mentally-handicapped person and manipulating them into not saying anything about it.)
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Post by ashercrane on Sept 1, 2016 5:41:21 GMT
Is this unpopular? I'm not saying that in the normal "it's more popular than you think" way; I'm genuinely curious. While granted the tpic hasn't come up much, I have yet to see anyone who thinks Rufio is a bad person. Well, my subjective understanding of the situation has said yeah, this is an unpopular opinion. He gets characterized as a vicious philanderer, a deceiver and a cheat, because he didn't have the courage to formally/openly break off with Damara. I've literally heard people say that he's worse than Cronus. Just as a reminder, Cronus actually assaulted a mentally-handicapped person. Hating on Rufioh absolutely seemed in vogue. If I were being uncharitable, I'd blame it on overly-zealous "feminists" (note quotes) hyperfocusing on mistreatment of female characters over other considerations; as it is, I think it's just that the teenage audience of Homestuck takes cheating far too seriously. (Though, I'll note, *I* take cheating very seriously myself--but not to the point that I consider it worse than sexually assaulting a mentally-handicapped person and manipulating them into not saying anything about it.) I've also seen people who think that because he is portrayed as a weeaboo, it automatically means he never cared about Damara, and only liked her because she was Japanese. This seems ridiculous to me for a few reasons, but I've seen it here and there.
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Post by knightofvoid on Sept 7, 2016 18:47:04 GMT
More related to MSPA as a whole, but anyway:
Problem Sleuth is better than Homestuck.
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Post by TrickleJest on Sept 7, 2016 18:54:32 GMT
I hate Vriska I think everybody is white, even Roxy & Jade (whoopsies, I'm really not racist though) I love Act 1 - 3, and don't consider them to be dumb I consider skippers-to-Act-5 not actual fans, they chickened out Act 5 Act 1 wasn't amazing, it was pretty okay though
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Post by TrickleJest on Sept 7, 2016 18:58:21 GMT
Also, not un-popular, but my favorites are Caliborn, Karkat, Aradia, John & Roxy. I also kinda like Latula.
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Post by cookiefonster on Sept 7, 2016 20:51:55 GMT
I hate Vriska I think everybody is white, even Roxy & Jade (whoopsies, I'm really not racist though) I love Act 1 - 3, and don't consider them to be dumb I consider skippers-to-Act-5 not actual fans, they chickened out Act 5 Act 1 wasn't amazing, it was pretty okay though None of these are unpopular.
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