4/13 Update Discussion Thread - IT'S HERE

Considering there is a possibility of an epilogue, I am for one satisfied with the ending. It's most definitely not the ending I dreamed about but I'm just glad these kids are happy. Also the quality of the animation is quite nice.

I also think the ending left a TON of room for fan interpretation of what happens AFTER this new universe is created. I understand that lots of people want a concrete, canon ending, and I sort of want one to. But by leaving it open to interpretation, its like Homestuck, in a sense, doesn't really end. It's up to the reader to interpret what happens after.

And to give even more credit to the ending, there really was a lot of resolved plot stuff in the scientific aspects of creating this new universe.

Alt Calliope sacrificed herself to become a black hole in which the green sun was sucked into (Knowing that if her species cannot be saved, she can at least save the humans/trolls/carapacians and give them the chance to live that she never really got). This probably took away Lord English's HellaDope(TM) powers. It realistically make sense to split up the characters in Collide to fight the main bosses. The whole tadpole-from-the-forge-into-the-battlefield-thing was really beautiful; it's the whole creation-of-new-life that these kids fought years for. The rings, symbolizing the corruption of power were destroyed, which can possibly mean that the "Gods" of the new universe (the kids) will "rule" justly (also further supported by Terezi's courthouse-temple thing). Can Town. Lord English's gaining and losing of powers are paradoxical, like when Vriska used the juju and Caliborn was gaining his powers can represent how he was destined to be doomed, corrupted by power. For Condense being the "main boss" in Collide, she was in a sense using Lord English to destroy shit.

Was every single plot point covered? God No. omegaupdate.freeforums.net/post/3391/thread

Character wise however, I need so much more. An Vriska was actually a hero in this which made me kinda upset? Sprites? I could go on for 7 more years.

As for the length of the pause, I really didn't mind. People's lives are busy, and with Hussie (hopefully) working on Hiveswap, I think it's a reasonable length to wait. Also there was a lot of collaboration on the projects which do take a lot of time.

Would I recommend Homestuck? I honestly don't know. I'll wait for the epilogue that will hopefully come with time.

Only on page 6 of 19 of this thread so I'll be babbling more later.

But then who else does Doc Scratch's Clock function for? As far as we know, it was left on its side, which would ensure Just Death for all, yet all the other God Tier deaths we've seen are either Heroic, influenced by Aranea, or Aranea herself.
It could also be that it's just a simple disguise put over the Clock when it's not judging since Doc Scratch and the Felt are obsessed with having (actual)clocks around the place. And it's not like it's totally unusual that Vriska's clock of all people would be there. She played games with Doc Scratch, almost won, and generally is the most powerful and dangerous of the Trolls, it's not surprising that Doc Scratch might acquire her clock to have handy in case some foul play is needed.

EDIT:

I still can't fathom why the monkeys over at Youtube HQ even thought it'd be a good idea to have the system recommend you videos that you already watched to completion not too long ago.

It's nice to see a fair few folk here and elsewhere being positive, and doing some story building, and having crazy literary discussions (like that post right above - nice work!) and even bringing up en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiastic_structure

But myself I'm feeling more shallow today, so...


plainWonder:

That's beautiful. Just because Hussie was always writing for the archival reader, doesn't mean they get to avoid the glorious responsibility of IDE/Theory,


dldracorex:

Apparently, A shame she didn't back up mspaforums.com first. If all those DgallowsCalibrator posts are gone forever... it pears at my heart.

I think this is probably pretty close, at least thematically. However, I think that the Beta Kids did pop out of the House Juju when Vriska activated it. They returned to the canon to complete one last task: Pocket the Eight Ball, End the Game. By doing so the insured the end of the story, their own escape, and Lord English's imprisonment.

I agree with this. I don't think he's 'no longer interested', but more that the incident with The Odd Gentlemen really drained him and made it so that he's unable to deliver properly due to too much going on. He still had to deal with Hiveswap even though that should have been close to being finished. I just think it's too much of a coincidence that the comic really started declining in quality after The Odd Gentlemen messed with Hussie, but I guess that could be just me.

Also, I'm not that fond of the way Vriska's arc went. I may seem like I really don't like her, but she's actually one of my favourites and I think she deserves a better arc then what she got in Act 6. I hate the idea of Vriska's arc being 'she never changed and remained a power hungry bitch until the end, thus her life ended as punishment'. She should have just been left out of the story after Act 5. That's where her arc ended to me.

Yeah, this theory is pretty much exactly the same as the one I wrote before. I really think we're getting there. There are still some issues, though (Caliborn only trapped the four B1 kids during the Masterpiece, but weren't the other characters trapped in the narrative as well? And I'm still not exactly sure what role the destruction of the Green Sun served in trapping LE.)

I think I sort of had that figured out already but I think this explains it better.

But I think the Green Sun's destruction was just a catalyst to make the black hole. When massive stars die, that's what they become in nature; black holes.

EDIT: Ninja'd. Oh, Ninja'd...I have such nostalgia memories of all the times people said what I was going to say before I said it...

DOUBLE EDIT: I just realized that out of all the S***b players that made it out, two aspects are not represented among them: Rage and Doom. I think it's an interesting point, because those two aspects seem to have pretty negative associations. 

Why? The black hole only destroyed a (relatively) small section of the furthest ring, outlined by the cracks Lord English himself made. While there could be servers within that area, there's no way to really know.

Hmm, yeah, that interpretation makes a lot of sense too. I mean, I understand not wanting Homestuck to fall into obscurity, but all things considering, I think I would've been okay with waiting for Hussie to not feel so rushed rather than get that instant gratification. Maybe we overwhelmed him. That idea sounds incredibly sad to me.

We don't know how or why Union Jack was created post-retcon.

The Retcon was confined to the session. Since he got zapped just outside of it, he wasn't actually affected.

We don't know which John and God Tiers zapped in to fight Caliborn. We don't know whether it's the John in Act 7 or the (John) we met before that.

We don't even know if the masterpiece was accurate, because the pages leading up to Act 7 and Act 7 itself stubbornly and strangely avoided showing us what was in Caliborn's Juju box.

I'll admit that's one I can't answer.

Paradox Space's crumbling has not been halted, so even if the kids manage to find some level of peace in a new world, there's no guarantee it'll last.

We know that there was a huge ring around the Green Sun made from the cracks in PS that English made, and that Alt Calliope's actions created a black hole and destroyed at least the area inside the ring. It's not confirmed, but we could assume that the giant hole left in Paradox space is just confined to this area. The Furthest Ring is described as area with unlimited/undefined dimensions, but this area at least could be very finite, since the structures composing it (the cracks and the sun) have some quantifiable size/mass.

Jade made a point of saying that the Green Sun is kind of important, and that there could be consequences if it was destroyed. What are those consequences? What does Paradox Space look like now with the Green Sun gone?

We don't know, but I assume that the Green Sun's vast power capacity can't be accessed anymore. But since every character that would be able to utilize it is de-powered/gone/out of paradox space, it may be irrelevant now.

We don't know if the players were able to restart either race on their new world.

Roxy was confirmed to be able to create a matriorb. That would restart the troll race. As for the humans, well, assuming biology can take an artistic license, they can repopulate naturally...or use ectobiology in some manner. In addition, since we know that newly created universes can spawn new life, as seen by Universe B, new humans and other life must have been created as well.

Because of the retcon, it's possible Caliborn's time line split. Which would mean there were two of him. So did this happen? And if so, what happened to the other one?

John's retcon that occurred in B2 wouldn't have affected Caliborn. Assuming his zapping created a new timeline, the Caliborn that gets put in Lil Cal after the Masterpiece would become LE, and assuming the Pre-retcon, non Aranea timeline birthed a Universe (presumably under Condy's supervision), the cherubs would have been born in this universe. 

We have no idea what happens to Vriska, Sollux, Aradia, or Terezi.

We MIGHT get to know what happens to them when the epilouge comes up. But if not, I dunno. 

-Kurloz taking Vriska's Coat

-The Dronegorg

-Glu'bgolyb II(How did )(IC get a new one? Why did she get a new one if all it did was ruin her plans?)

-B2!DD and B2!CD

-Rose's Planet Quest(Unlike, say, Jake and Dirk, Rose's Planet quest appears to be a fully fleshed out thing that actually exists)

-The circumstances that resulted in alt!Calliope(Why was she isolated? What is the Glitch Aranea spoke of)

-And Most Importantly: The Magnetic Wodka

EDIT: And some more...

-Erisolsprite

-How Arquiusprite intended to get to Caliborn's Session