The Davekat Quarantine Thread Apr 5, 2016 23:33:09 GMT
Post by headwind on Apr 5, 2016 23:33:09 GMT
I also started with MSPA as a Gigapause reader.
My impression about Davekat is that it was already hinted pre-retcon (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006619 where Karkat conceptualizes it as something in the ♠ quadrant while they fight about drawing either square or phallic shapes). So if did not come as a surprise to me.
Those hints are then effectively used during Vriskagram: there one of the first things they do together is Dave peacefully redrawing a floor game board with both square and phallic shapes. So the drawing elements are the same; but now in peace and harmony. From that starting point, a kind of relationship develops; and I can see it had something to start from - even pre-retcon, when they started with some animosity, they ended up as friends anyway.
Up to here my immediate feelings on my first watching of Vriskagram.
I am not an immediate fan of Davekat.
Probably because I liked Karezi quite a bit; I believed that there was a potential there for becoming the healthy relationship that it wasn't.
But I have to admit that was already a slowly sinking ship, even pre-retcon; post-retcon, in different circumstances, it was sinking much, much faster, and maybe for the best of everyone involved.
I know that Davekat is canon, and that it can be a healthy relationship for both Dave and Karkat, and I see it as already hinted pre-retcon, and evolving naturally post-retcon. (As much as we can guess about its evolution from just a few well chosen Vriskagram images.)
Now some recent speculations, mostly paraphrasing and agreeing with things I am reading just now in this forum (such as some good postings by mementovivere, spadesnoir1234, therationaldove, lyla, and others).
What's the nature of the Davekat relationship? It's not stated in exact words in canon. Friendly outsiders such as Vriska are mildly puzzled about that; it's not impossible that Dave and Karkat themselves are puzzled too. Perhaps it does not fit the social expectations of trolls and humans alike. Mild pity in that case that they cannot verbalize it, but a relationship does not need to fit a verbal mold to be valid. A more serious problem is that Dave (almost for sure) and Karkat (probably - thanks memento!) feel that they are breaking some taboos with their relationship; their feeling of guilt would be harmful. On the good side, it seems that all of the friends around them are open-minded and would just accept it; on the possibly bad side, their own negative inner feelings count; but, again on the good side, Dave is working on it (according to the natural interpretation of Dave's conversation with Dirk).