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Post by dairuncates on Apr 21, 2016 23:09:28 GMT
7 days after the end of Homestuck and still no sign of even a simple, "Hey. So, the forums are down. We're looking into it."
Maybe Hussie's waiting till 6/12 to tell us their fate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 23:25:06 GMT
to be honest i think it's all just gone forever and the people in charge of it don't even really care at all
i was naive and thought that the forums wouldn't just fucking disappear for no reason and leave nothing behind, so i used it to store all my pieces of writing and stories and stuff. and now most of that is gone. F
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Post by Zerio on Apr 22, 2016 0:26:12 GMT
to be honest i think it's all just gone forever and the people in charge of it don't even really care at all i was naive and thought that the forums wouldn't just fucking disappear for no reason and leave nothing behind, so i used it to store all my pieces of writing and stories and stuff. and now most of that is gone. F Hey, if you remember any of the names of the threads you posted your writing and stories to, you could possibly find them through Google and try loading a cached version. Or maybe even going through a cached version of your post history, if necessary. |
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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 22, 2016 4:00:34 GMT
You know, with all this dooms-saying and talk about how Andrew and his company are driving away fans, it seems like most folks here would still be interested in whatever Andrew makes next.
Unless I'm mistaken on that. Has how this has been handled affected the likelihood that you'll be interested in Andrew's next project.
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Post by Sharkalien on Apr 22, 2016 4:07:03 GMT
Let's hope his next project doesn't involve running a business
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Post by Shadow of the Lotus on Apr 22, 2016 4:11:22 GMT
Let's hope his next project doesn't involve running a business My fear is that Andrew is less and less interested in creating art in its physical form and more so interested in the level of material that can be produced with a team. And that is the biggest damn shame I can think of. I'm more on the skeptical side regarding Andrew's business sense, how he runs things, or even his story-telling. But that man can draw better than anyone. He's really dumbed his art down for Homestuck! Just looking at his earlier works you can see how frickin fantastic he is when it comes to art. I have never seen someone draw hands so beautifully. It's where his genuine genius shines for me. But yeah... I don't think he cares to do that anymore. He's about building teams, creating bigger projects. They won't have his touch as much... He's ambitious to the point that what he excels the most in has faded. |
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Post by Eversor on Apr 22, 2016 4:28:52 GMT
I miss the forums greatly. I wish there was more answers. Man, I know I am just saying what everyone is thinking but this really sucks. I lost a lot of content I couldn't retrieve but that isn't the bad part. Its just the feeling like I was abandoned that sucks the most.
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Post by Wesley Foxx on Apr 22, 2016 4:33:19 GMT
From what I understand its not that the people in charge of the forum didn't care anymore as much as it was there was no one in charge anymore. They just got kind of lost and forgotten about in the kerfuffle of trying to turn the webcomics and fandom merch company into a game making company.
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Post by dairuncates on Apr 22, 2016 6:51:40 GMT
You know, with all this dooms-saying and talk about how Andrew and his company are driving away fans, it seems like most folks here would still be interested in whatever Andrew makes next. Unless I'm mistaken on that. Has how this has been handled affected the likelihood that you'll be interested in Andrew's next project. I mean, obviously I stuck through after Problem Sleuth and Homestuck doing about nothing for about 2 months. I'll stick around to see what's next, but I can't imagine it can be much of anything at this point without Social Media presence or a central location for discussion. You can't depend on Reddit and Youtube to run your communities. I guess, either way. I'll give him a chance, but I'm not optimistic about future projects at this point if we're not being communicated to. I know he's busy, but someone needs to be doing that. Anyway, if the forums are messed up and they didn't have ANY back-up, I'd prefer to hear that over radio silence at this point. At least with that information, I feel confident moving ahead with archiving what I can of my adventures and then if there was a new forum, I'd move there, but we've got nothing, and I don't want to have to save PVNRPG through like... 98 pages of caches if there's a chance it'll still be around since I haven't updated in 4 years. |
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Post by csj on Apr 22, 2016 7:26:34 GMT
This may seem a bid odd, but I have a cunning idea. As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed professor of cunning at oxford university. I will be pretty disappointed if this hasn't been thought of before.
Create a fan adventure. A Forumstuck, if you will.
It's something that will attract the attention and interest of those involved, if done subversively. Use the same tags on tumblr relating to it, or hashtags on twitter or what have you in order for people to be redirected to it.
Suddenly, What Pumpkin has to sit back and wonder why a parody work is sapping their brand recognition and public profile. It is a style of online protest that works, because it affects the 'business model'. What Pumpkin is an Online business - whatever happens that effects its ability to sell things will undermine that model and anything that undermines the model will provoke an official response.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 22, 2016 8:11:45 GMT
This may seem a bid odd, but I have a cunning idea. As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed professor of cunning at oxford university. I will be pretty disappointed if this hasn't been thought of before. Create a fan adventure. A Forumstuck, if you will. It's something that will attract the attention and interest of those involved, if done subversively. Use the same tags on tumblr relating to it, or hashtags on twitter or what have you in order for people to be redirected to it. Suddenly, What Pumpkin has to sit back and wonder why a parody work is sapping their brand recognition and public profile. It is a style of online protest that works, because it affects the 'business model'. What Pumpkin is an Online business - whatever happens that effects its ability to sell things will undermine that model and anything that undermines the model will provoke an official response. They probably wouldn't care, or if they did it'd probably be a "hey yo stop" at the best case. There probably have been fancomics somewhat as popular and they've never done anything official on it. |
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Post by csj on Apr 22, 2016 9:39:53 GMT
This may seem a bid odd, but I have a cunning idea. As cunning as a fox who's just been appointed professor of cunning at oxford university. I will be pretty disappointed if this hasn't been thought of before. Create a fan adventure. A Forumstuck, if you will. It's something that will attract the attention and interest of those involved, if done subversively. Use the same tags on tumblr relating to it, or hashtags on twitter or what have you in order for people to be redirected to it. Suddenly, What Pumpkin has to sit back and wonder why a parody work is sapping their brand recognition and public profile. It is a style of online protest that works, because it affects the 'business model'. What Pumpkin is an Online business - whatever happens that effects its ability to sell things will undermine that model and anything that undermines the model will provoke an official response. They probably wouldn't care, or if they did it'd probably be a "hey yo stop" at the best case. There probably have been fancomics somewhat as popular and they've never done anything official on it. I disagree with this sentiment, in the sense that there are most certainly people within WP that 'care', it is simply a case that those that do consider themselves hamstrung due to the lack of direction from elsewhere in the organisation. It's typical of a haphazard corporate structure centred on a single individual with a negligible background in management. Parody and satire are pretty good at getting results or at the very least, entertaining and informing the community at the same time. |
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Post by Arashi500 on Apr 22, 2016 9:47:32 GMT
Anyway, if the forums are messed up and they didn't have ANY back-up, I'd prefer to hear that over radio silence at this point. At least with that information, I feel confident moving ahead with archiving what I can of my adventures and then if there was a new forum, I'd move there, but we've got nothing, and I don't want to have to save PVNRPG through like... 98 pages of caches if there's a chance it'll still be around since I haven't updated in 4 years. ^ This. I genuinely have to wonder what's going on in Hussie's mind. Considering his past levels of communication with his fans, it seems almost like a mix of not wanting to be utterly swamped in a response to something he says, possibly offhandedly, and not being able to/not knowing if he's able to say anything in a public way without it having to go through lawyers to confirm it doesn't break whatever paralegal settlement they came to with TOG. That, and needing what is officially said on the matter to say it all and to say it well in the first go if they don't want a constant stream of extra questions and replies. |
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Post by jacquerel on Apr 22, 2016 10:58:38 GMT
This may sound harsh but your fan adventure is never going to be popular enough to make What Pumpkin care about it.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 22, 2016 11:02:33 GMT
This may sound harsh but your fan adventure is never going to be popular enough to make What Pumpkin care about it. It's worth a try at least. I'm negative about everything, but I'd still try something because there is very, very little positivity inside me. Better to take the chance to succeed than just sit there wondering if it would have worked or not. |
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Post by csj on Apr 22, 2016 12:49:38 GMT
This may sound harsh but your fan adventure That's the br8ks. It would not work if any one individual 'owned' such a thing. Especially since I lack the capacity to preform such a visual spectacle solo. In fact, I wouldn't involve myself directly if I could avoid it since there are better-suited people out there in the community at large. Remember Dr Brinner and other fan-created miscellanea that ended up working its way into the comic? When the fandom creates content like that, it's the closest to a proverbial author trap there is. On its own, an adventure would not 'break through' unless it had the social profile and cancerous reach that the community provides for things that gain its collective approval. And even when it doesn't work, it's still more fun and amusing for the community than sitting around a little campfire huddled up in a ball grumbling about AH and days of yore. |
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Post by jacquerel on Apr 22, 2016 15:50:23 GMT
There already is a whole subforum of forum adventures and another of forum games already, and subforums for other things, and also the subforum this thread is posted in for "other things other than huddling around a campfire". That's pretty much just confined to this thread.
People already are moving on and continuing their old projects or starting new ones completely independent of you.
You are not going to be able to build a powerful derivative multimedia competitor to turn the heads of What Pumpkin and make them howl their apologies to you out of a grudge. It's just not going to happen.
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Post by arbitraryTemplar on Apr 22, 2016 17:03:24 GMT
There already is a whole subforum of forum adventures and another of forum games already, and subforums for other things, and also the subforum this thread is posted in for "other things other than huddling around a campfire". That's pretty much just confined to this thread. People already are moving on and continuing their old projects or starting new ones completely independent of you. You are not going to be able to build a powerful derivative multimedia competitor to turn the heads of What Pumpkin and make them howl their apologies to you out of a grudge. It's just not going to happen. Y'know, as valid as your points might be, I can't help but think, maybe this negativity is why it would never work? It might not be any of those problems you've been pointing out that'd be why it wouldn't work but instead, just the sheer lack of will to even try it in the first place. If you just gave it a chance, maybe it would work out after all? Something's better than nothing, after all. |
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Post by Neptz on Apr 22, 2016 17:38:40 GMT
There already is a whole subforum of forum adventures and another of forum games already, and subforums for other things, and also the subforum this thread is posted in for "other things other than huddling around a campfire". That's pretty much just confined to this thread. People already are moving on and continuing their old projects or starting new ones completely independent of you. You are not going to be able to build a powerful derivative multimedia competitor to turn the heads of What Pumpkin and make them howl their apologies to you out of a grudge. It's just not going to happen. Y'know, as valid as your points might be, I can't help but think, maybe this negativity is why it would never work? It might not be any of those problems you've been pointing out that'd be why it wouldn't work but instead, just the sheer lack of will to even try it in the first place. If you just gave it a chance, maybe it would work out after all? Something's better than nothing, after all. Yeah. If you stay like that, absolutely nothing will get done in your life. There's always a chance something will happen. Even if we don't succeed, we probably could have made a webcomic that a lot of the community would love, like Lucidstuck or Nightfall |
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Post by Fish on Apr 22, 2016 17:57:48 GMT
Jac knows what he's talking about. He's deeply involved in the forum adventure/fan comic community and has been involved in several disputes between forum and WP in the past.
As someone who's also seen the incredible attrition rate of forum adventures, I can guarantee that someone saying "hey we should start a forum adventure" pretty much never succeeds. The Squiddle Session is the exception that proves the rule - I'd wager most readers of this thread have never read it. Making art is a fuck ton of work so unless you're willing to draw it yourself, it's very unlikely you'll last more than a year.
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Post by Neptz on Apr 22, 2016 18:02:10 GMT
Jac knows what he's talking about. He's deeply involved in the forum adventure/fan comic community and has been involved in several disputes between forum and WP in the past. As someone who's also seen the incredible attrition rate of forum adventures, I can guarantee that someone saying "hey we should start a forum adventure" pretty much never succeeds. The Squiddle Session is the exception that proves the rule - I'd wager most readers of this thread have never read it. Making art is a fuck ton of work so unless you're willing to draw it yourself, it's very unlikely you'll last more than a year. If you say so. I'd say we should stop here before we start a Pro-Webcomic vs Anti-Webcomic argument. |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 22, 2016 21:49:39 GMT
YEah, so....still no word on the forums.
Personally, I think that most of this has been a lot of bad luck. Like, Hussie had no idea TOG was gonna screw WP big time. He wasn't originally planning on running a vid game dev company. So, I can hardly balme him for the shambles that everything has seemed to become. This is a rough way to start out for a fledging company.
Honestly, I am just trying to be as patient as possible. I think that Hussie is trying his damndest despite what we might think or how we feel about the Homestuck ending or all of the problems that they have in the past. While the lack of communication is a huge problem, I am willing to be more forgiving if only because they are so inexperienced.
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Post by cauchemar on Apr 23, 2016 13:46:54 GMT
Y'know, as valid as your points might be, I can't help but think, maybe this negativity is why it would never work? You're the ones talking about a big scheme to hijack the Homestuck fandom, envisioning merely the Forum Adventure media as a tool to this end, all of this in the faint hope maybe, if you're very very successful, What Pumpkin will A, notice you, B, finally bring the forums back. Would you shoot a full indie Alien movie entirely out of spite that the Alien franchise has become a mess *, in the hope for Hollywood to "notice" your work and start doing a good Alien sequel? That's about how both ridiculous and dishonest this project sounds. To list the problems: - Irrealistic expectations for both popularity and the reaction of What Pumpkin to said popularity - Impure intentions (as the Buddhists say) in the creation of a work of art - Illusions that popularity can be a calculated result instead of sheer luck - Rancorous underthoughts * Simple example, your mileage may vary. Yeah. If you stay like that, absolutely nothing will get done in your life. There's always a chance something will happen. Jacques is not talking about failure, defeatism is not the conversation that is happening here. Of course you have to cling to your goals and to set yourself the highest goals possible in the end if you want to get anything done. The problem is the idea. You can be as brave and determined as you want, a Charles Manson X Your Mom Stuckdventure, for example, will never be a good approach. |
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Post by Neptz on Apr 23, 2016 13:58:14 GMT
Y'know, as valid as your points might be, I can't help but think, maybe this negativity is why it would never work? You're the ones talking about a big scheme to hijack the Homestuck fandom, envisioning merely the Forum Adventure media as a tool to this end, all of this in the faint hope maybe, if you're very very successful, What Pumpkin will A, notice you, B, finally bring the forums back. Would you shoot a full indie Alien movie entirely out of spite that the Alien franchise has become a mess *, in the hope for Hollywood to "notice" your work and start doing a good Alien sequel? That's about how both ridiculous and dishonest this project sounds. To list the problems: - Irrealistic expectations for both popularity and the reaction of What Pumpkin to said popularity - Impure intentions (as the Buddhists say) in the creation of a work of art - Illusions that popularity can be a calculated result instead of sheer luck - Rancorous underthoughts * Simple example, your mileage may vary. Yeah. If you stay like that, absolutely nothing will get done in your life. There's always a chance something will happen. Jacques is not talking about failure, defeatism is not the conversation that is happening here. Of course you have to cling to your goals and to set yourself the highest goals possible in the end if you want to get anything done. The problem is the idea. You can be as brave and determined as you want, a Charles Manson X Your Mom Stuckdventure, for example, will never be a good approach. I suppose you're right. I did say that the chances of WP caring are minimal, though. They probably won't see it as a threat, more of a dumb joke or something like that. You're gonna have to take some dangerous and rather difficult methods if you want to threaten a company, even a fledging one. And even then, threatening WP to bring the forums back is honestly not one of the better choices. Unfortunately, the choices I do consider good are impossible since we don't have contact with anyone from WP who isn't uncooperative. We could show them what's at risk with the forums down, since companies will care if they're losing the ability to make money. Unfortunately, since they have been quiet for so long, it's unlikely that anything will get their attention. |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 23, 2016 15:03:39 GMT
Man, I never liked coming on this thread sometimes. It just makes me upset. Not because of anyone specifically, but. Still it makes me upset. The loss of MSPAF is a hard one to swallow, but I think that we really need to remind ourselves that WP, nor anyone here are faceless, these are real people with real lifves and real emotions.
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