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Post by candor on Apr 6, 2016 13:35:42 GMT
Branching off the previous post's speculation, What if this is the view from inside the house juju, and it's some sort of lotus eater machine? Zoom out, fade to static... possibly loop? |
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 6, 2016 13:40:20 GMT
Ok, I'm calling it. What we are seeing in EOA6 (and most things preceeding it) is not the Alpha timeline.
Either due to retcons, time travel shenaningans, "it's just a vision" or something else even more crazy... but this is not the real reality.
And the Sburb House Juju is related to how everything is going to fall apart. Branching off the previous post's speculation, What if this is the view from inside the house juju, and it's some sort of lotus eater machine? Zoom out, fade to static... possibly loop? Given the Typheus sounds at the end of the flash ....could it be a vision the Denizen gave John about what would happen if he made a certain Choice? Whatever the case, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's picked up on a sort of....feeling of wrongness. I've actually had it since John finished retconning the time line, and now it's stronger than ever. Something is not as it seems. |
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Post by candor on Apr 6, 2016 13:42:14 GMT
Not to nag, but could you spoiler that and the post of mine you quoted? This thread also falls under the 24 hour spoiler thing in the announcements and I don't want to ruin anything for anyone, even obliquely. I'd edited my post to comply, as I'd also forgotten.
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Post by mementovivere on Apr 7, 2016 16:39:50 GMT
I mentioned this briefly in the comic discussion thread, but... IDE: Act 6 proper is for the "main storyline", which mostly concerns the session and the battle against Lord English. The reason we zoomed out of the staticky window is because we're zooming out of the "alpha timeline", and the Typheus noises are because we're about to see what happened with (John), who actually did go to see Typheus in order to master his zappy powers better, and who is going to be the one to gather a bunch of other "irrelevant" versions of the main characters in order to fight Caliborn as seen in the Masterpiece. |
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Post by cookiefonster on Apr 7, 2016 16:46:02 GMT
I mentioned this briefly in the comic discussion thread, but... IDE: Act 6 proper is for the "main storyline", which mostly concerns the session and the battle against Lord English. The reason we zoomed out of the staticky window is because we're zooming out of the "alpha timeline", and the Typheus noises are because we're about to see what happened with (John), who actually did go to see Typheus in order to master his zappy powers better, and who is going to be the one to gather a bunch of other "irrelevant" versions of the main characters in order to fight Caliborn as seen in the Masterpiece. Now that I think about it, it would be gushingly awesome to see Caliborn's Masterpiece from another perspective; like seeing a scene and how there's more behind it than you thought. Kinda like the Futurama episode The Why of Fry. |
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 22:47:47 GMT
Theory:
Lord English is so intertwined with the Homestuck narrative that in order to defeat him the whole story will need to be destroyed altogether.
The End Of Homestuck will REALLY be the End Of Homestuck, as in "this story never happened".
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 7, 2016 22:58:17 GMT
Theory:
We are aware Doc Scratch knew Homestuck's act structure. He knew it was going to have seven acts, divided in 3 discs. And because Doc Scratch is 100% in control if everything, he knew Act 7 ends with the kids losing the conflict.
So the kids will have to subvert that. They will have to break the narrative (this ties with the above post actually) and change it in a way that it gets an Act 8. And that Act 8 will be the real epilogue, where they have defeated Lord English. And Hussie hasn't told us anything about that because Act 8 doesn't even exist in a meta sense yet. It needs to be retconned into existance.
So Act 7, which would have been a bad ending, will become the climax where the kids defy their fate, and Act 8 is the epilogue.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 7, 2016 23:08:15 GMT
I think we all pretty much agree that the current narrative must be broken in order to actually win; the (current) Alpha timeline directly leads to Lord English's rise to power, and it has been stated quite clearly that he can't be defeated if he manages to come into existence: the only way to beat him is to make sure he never exists in the first place.
The big question is how this is going to happen...
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 7, 2016 23:11:08 GMT
Also Caliborn's Masterpiece showed that simply using John's retcon powers doesn't work against him. He will manipulate the timeline so that John ends up retconning him into existance.
They need a bigger effort than that. Retconning the very act structure of Homestuck could be it.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 8, 2016 1:16:24 GMT
Also Caliborn's Masterpiece showed that simply using John's retcon powers doesn't work against him. He will manipulate the timeline so that John ends up retconning him into existance. They need a bigger effort than that. Retconning the very act structure of Homestuck could be it. Yes. I want this so much I could taste it. I want meta shenanigans before this damn comic is over. |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 8, 2016 1:33:04 GMT
I'm sure there will be. there HAS to be.
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Post by candor on Apr 8, 2016 8:39:32 GMT
Well, you've blown my mind with the possibility of John retconning the act structure. Now, that's the kind of out of the box thinking I enjoy seeing!
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 8, 2016 10:28:11 GMT
If this becomes a thing, I predict Act 7 and or the pages leading up to it are the setup. Things end on a bad or unsatisfying note...only for there to be more comic. Act 7 will be the darkest hour (Getting trapped in the Juju?) with someone taking over the site one more time until after the kids find a way to turn things around.
Also, if there is something like a new act or another retcon coming that results in an ending that's more like Cascade than Collide, this would explain why he gave us a big, fight heavy flashy flash now. This way even if that's more you're cup of tea than a fight free mind fuck, you still come away happy.
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Post by Ariestinak on Apr 8, 2016 12:07:35 GMT
I think "something" is going to happen and Act 7 isn't going to be just an epilogue. Also, that "something" is somehow related to all of the alternate selves of people. I sense that "Terezi Remember" was put there for a reason and we haven't really seen that reason yet.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 8, 2016 12:29:52 GMT
I sense that "Terezi Remember" was put there for a reason and we haven't really seen that reason yet. Yes, that definitely was too big of a sequence (several dialog panels + animation) to not have any relevance. It's more of a Checkov's assault rifle than a Checkov's gun...
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 8, 2016 17:51:10 GMT
From a Hussie news post:
Maybe the "Rapture" is the breaking of the narrative? Because Hussie is implying it is something that goes beyond the mere end of the story.
Like... the story is about to end, but Homestuck will continue beyond it.
The post implies the Rapture is an evil thing, so maybe is the conclusion of Lord English's plan that will turn the tide again in his favor and screw up with the kids' victory? Maybe it's that black and white screen we saw at the end of Collide?
And maybe... the kids will try to start Act 7 but that will be a psyche and Lord English's plan is to trap the comic in Act 6 forever (with infinite ActActActActActs....)
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 8, 2016 17:54:07 GMT
It seems like Hussie has been planning for whatever is dropping 4/13 for a very long time. I expect a ton of shit to go down. What if it's revealed that the comic was a lead-up to Homestuck 2.0 all along? The post implies that "the Rapture" is more than just the ending of the comic, so maybe the end will really be a To Be Continued? That would be sure to cause some ruckus.
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Post by candor on Apr 8, 2016 17:55:19 GMT
If this was all a lead-up to the 2.0 version, that is a very slow-burning plan. 7 years!
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Post by Strawhat Luffy on Apr 8, 2016 17:55:39 GMT
Theory: Homestuck is actually the name of Act 1 of another comic that is about to be revealed. And 4/13 is the end of that Act 1.
(okay this one is too crazy but I can dream)
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Post by raistuumum on Apr 8, 2016 18:43:12 GMT
I will have to admit, if Homestuck 2.0 is going to be a direct sequel, leaving us with a "to be continued" on 4/13, I would be kinda pissed.
But I do have a few ideas regarding an Act 8 - if Act 7's not going to cover the end completely, which I still think it will, Act 8 will not be titled "Act 8" but will the featured as something "outside the comic" in some manner - occurring in the blank space possibly?
And if the comic truly does end there, it will be on 4/14 instead of 4/13, as a symbolic gesture that the characters have finally moved past 4/13/12.
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 8, 2016 19:05:40 GMT
I found this theory on the subreddit--and I think I buy it. The idea is horrifying, but it all seems to fit--at least at a glance. |
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 8, 2016 19:12:31 GMT
I found this theory on the subreddit--and I think I buy it. The idea is horrifying, but it all seems to fit--at least at a glance. I've seen that theory floating around and I think that's a pretty solid one. There definitely needs to be a motivation for the kids to end up in the Masterpiece. |
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Post by gimeurcookie on Apr 8, 2016 19:30:49 GMT
I found this theory on the subreddit--and I think I buy it. The idea is horrifying, but it all seems to fit--at least at a glance. I've always had a theory that Calliope was going to somehow turn out to be the bad guy along, just not in the way we thought she would be! I assumed that maybe she'd somehow turn out to have some strange mind control power that would make it possible for things to go perfectly and the way she wants it to (Like a fanfiction writer), but this, this actually makes sense unlike my idea. As a note if there is another flash and it centers around Calliope turning in to Caliborn then I'm calling it, this song gets used. |
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Post by accipitrineOutlier on Apr 8, 2016 19:35:51 GMT
As a note if there is another flash and it centers around Calliope turning in to Caliborn then I'm calling it, this song gets used. OH GOD YES PLEASE. |
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Post by thecrystalship on Apr 8, 2016 19:59:47 GMT
I found this theory on the subreddit--and I think I buy it. The idea is horrifying, but it all seems to fit--at least at a glance. I've always had a theory that Calliope was going to somehow turn out to be the bad guy along, just not in the way we thought she would be! I assumed that maybe she'd somehow turn out to have some strange mind control power that would make it possible for things to go perfectly and the way she wants it to (Like a fanfiction writer), but this, this actually makes sense unlike my idea. As a note if there is another flash and it centers around Calliope turning in to Caliborn then I'm calling it, this song gets used. Please let the laughter take place at the exact moment when the kids are sucked into the Juju. EDIT: That actually seems to work perfectly. The part right after that sounds like perfect fight music for an all-out brawl between Caliborn and the alphas. Then there's a lull with wind and quieter, more forlorn music for when it seems like Caliborn's won the fight. The music slowly starts to pick back up again as Jake picks himself back up. Some more rambunctious music as he fights with Caliborn, and Dirk readies his soul-sucking spell. Then there are literally meowing noises and HORSE NEIGHS for when Arquiusprite comes in, followed by a final bout of laughter as Caliborn, Arquiusprite, and half of Gamzee get sucked into Lil Cal. Not to mention, the laugh used in this song is the Flowey laugh, which is most known for when he tricks you or shows up unexpectedly after the game lulls you into a false sense of security. In the Peaceful ending, all of your friends show up as happy music plays, and it seems like everything is fine. But then, Flowey comes out of nowhere and literally SUCKS ALL OF THEIR SOULS into himself (represented by Hearts), allowing him to attain his true form, which shoots rainbow energy beams at you. |
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