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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 9, 2016 3:31:11 GMT
But if it is... Well, just because something is a sequel doesn't mean it has to require knowledge of the original. You don't have to play Earthbound/Mother 2 to understand and enjoy Mother 3, you don't have to read the Hobbit to understand and enjoy the Lord of the Rings, and I could go on. But that can only work if the Homestuck world isn't radically changed by the end of the comic. If the theories about a breach opening and S***b and Paradox Space being dead by the time Homestuck is over turn out to be accurate, what would a sequel even be about? It'd be so different you'd be better off just making it its own thing with no connection to Homestuck at all. Hell, I felt kind of the same about Mother 3. Without certain characters, it's basically it's own thing.
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Post by cauchemar on Apr 9, 2016 6:22:04 GMT
A Hollywood movie is both improbable, because Hollywood is self-centered, doesn't like new things and do not care this much even about one of the most successful webcomics ever, and a kinda negative perspective. It would become a very tame product, and definitely aimed for kids. Very probably, they would put Robert Rodriguez or something like that on the project. This is literally how Hollywood Homestuck would look like. Other things are possible, especially with Dante Basco interested. Maybe an entirely indie project with some crowdfunding. Hope it won't be an adaptation, rather some kind of spinoff. With the Homestuck setting, Hussie can literally do anything, and judging by the weird approach chosen for Hiveswap already (what the hell, another fuchsia blood heiress? ), he's very likely to choose a surprising pitch.
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Post by BookwyrmBOTPH on Apr 9, 2016 7:08:25 GMT
If they were to use the premise of Sburb/Sgrub/Swhatever as the basis of a spinoff movie, webseries, show, or something, I could definitely see this as becoming a thing. Hell, if they wanted to do a direct adaptation of the comic, it could actually work. It would probably end up being in a weird hybrid style of Game of Thrones and Rick and Morty aimed mostly at adults rather than a big buget Hollywood film. If it is a straight up animated Homestuck, they could probably do it on Adult Swim.
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 10, 2016 17:45:08 GMT
Hollywood implies movie, though.
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Post by comicalArchitect on Apr 10, 2016 23:34:47 GMT
Still hoping for a TV series, with 1-4, 5, 6.-1-6.5, and 6.6-7 as the seasons. (I made an episode guide on the old forums if anyone wants me to post it here.)
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Post by BookwyrmBOTPH on Apr 11, 2016 6:48:04 GMT
Still hoping for a TV series, with 1-4, 5, 6.-1-6.5, and 6.6-7 as the seasons. (I made an episode guide on the old forums if anyone wants me to post it here.) I'd actually like to see that, go ahead and post it.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 11, 2016 6:56:50 GMT
Still hoping for a TV series, with 1-4, 5, 6.-1-6.5, and 6.6-7 as the seasons. (I made an episode guide on the old forums if anyone wants me to post it here.) Yeah, whatever Homestuck 2.0 is (adaptation, sequel, spin-off) I think it would be better suited to tv than movies if we had to choose between one of the two. And I wouldn't mind seeing your episode guide too.
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Post by comicalArchitect on Apr 11, 2016 11:41:58 GMT
Homestuck Episode Guide:
Season 1 1: The Note Desolation Plays, Part 1 We meet John Egbert, who has just turned thirteen, and his three unnamed friends. John installs a new game called SBURB while confronting his father and having trouble with his inventory.
2: The Note Desolation Plays, Part 2 John and his friend Rose Lalonde begin to play SBURB, under the imminent threat of a meteor impact.
3: The Raise of the Conductor's Baton We meet the Wayward Vagabond, who attempts to control John from the future. Meanwhile, in the present, John continues his game, while Rose struggles with her mother, and introducing, the new friend.............. DAVE.
4: The Hole in the Ace John's dead grandmother tells him more about SBURB, while John and Rose figure out alchemy and Dave attempts to join the game.
5: Ascend We follow the Vagabond as he creates a town of cans, plays with an Appearifier, and eventually escapes his base. Meanwhile, Dave confronts his brother on the roof, Dad escapes from prison, John has a strange vision, and Rose deals with her house burning down.
6: The Garden Gnostic We meet Jade Harley, an obnoxiously loud internet troll named CG, and a Peregrine Mendicant, while Rose explores a mysterious laboratory and Dave continues fighting with his brother.
7: John's Mental Breakdown We learn more about the Mendicant, while John fights some ogres and explores his father's room, and Jade searches for her dog.
8: The Package Jade dreams of a golden land called Prospit, while the Vagabond gives the Mendicant a gift, John alchemizes some new equipment, and Dave and his brother finish their duel.
9: Enter Dave and Rose deal with trolls, we meet the Aimless Renegade, Dad fights Jack Noir, Jade travels to a frog-shaped temple near her house, and Rose finally enters the game.
10: Don't Bleed on the Suits, Part 1 The Midnight Crew, led by Spades Slick, invades the manor of Lord English to find his treasure.
11: Don't Bleed on the Suits, Part 2 We meet the implacable Snowman, who confronts Slick while the rest of his crew continues to struggle against the Felt.
12: The Land of Wind and Shade John explores the mysterious blue planet he's been transported to, while the Vagabond and the Mendicant confront the Renegade, and Jade starts helping Dave get into the game.
13: Seppucrow Jade continues helping Dave get into the game, while John talks to carcinoGeneticist, AR befriends PM and WV, and Rose explores the Land of Light and Rain.
14: The Parcel Mistress PM remembers her past, when she took a package from John's land with the aim of delivering it to him, while John attempts to save his consorts from a fire, and Rose searches for her sprite.
15: Exile Town The Exiles build their society up from scratch, while Dave and Jade continue getting Dave into the game, PM meets Jack Noir, and Rose talks to yet another troll.
16: How do I Live Jade continues getting Dave into the game, Dave and Rose confront AT and GA again, and John explores his land guided by GC.
17: Accelerate We see a doomed future where John and Jade have both died. Dave travels back in time to save their lives.
18: The Warweary Villein The creator of Homestuck, Andrew Hussie, introduces himself, John visits Rose's room on LOLAR and a mysterious laboratory, Dave and Rose hang out on Derse, and we see more of PM and WV's backstory.
19: Flight of the Paradox Clones Dave and Rose alchemize new equipment (including a dangerous-looking pair of wands), John clones some familiar-looking babies and talks to CG, and the Draconian Dignitary embarks on a mission for Derse.
20: Descend No description given.
Season 2 1: Hivebent Part 1: The Note Agitation Plays We meet the trolls for the first time and learn some more about the game.
2: Hivebent Part 2: Möbius Double Reacharound We meet more trolls, find out about Terezi's lusus, and see a flashback about extreme role-playing.
3: Hivebent Part 3: Mind Honey We find out how Aradia died, meet yet more trolls, and see Karkat meet Jack Noir.
4: Hivebent Part 4: The Grim Auxiliatrix We find out a secret about the troll session, meet another new troll, and watch Vriska work as Tavros's server player.
5: Hivebent Part 5: Quadrants and Seadwellers We learn about trolls' conception of romance, meet the final troll players, and see Sollux run into trouble getting into the Medium.
6: Hivebent Part 6: Make Her Pay We see more flashbacks about the trolls' tragic pasts, see more of the events of their session, and learn the ultimate objective of SBURB and what stopped the trolls from reaching it.
7-8: The Kids, Parts 1 and 2 The trolls begin to form relationships with the human players, some stranger than others.
9: Enter II Jade encounters Feferi in a dream, while John begins helping her enter the game.
10: Becsprite Jade begins her SBURB journey, with the help of Dave. Meanwhile, Rose reveals her plan to defeat Jack, and WV recognizes John.
11: Rise Up Vriska and Terezi decide to help John and Dave ascend to the god tier, while a flashback shows us Vriska's own Ascension, and Jade talks to Tavros.
12: Jadesprite Jade alchemizes new equipment, talks to Eridan, and makes her second prototyping.
13: Wake PM runs into problems as queen of Exile Town, while Tavros goes to confront Vriska.
14: Return to the Core Kanaya tells Jade about her duties as a Space player, while Sollux and Eridan have a confrontation.
15: Dark Carnival Gamzee snaps and the trolls have to find a way to deal with him, while John launches an expedition with WV to find the Tumor.
16: Dreambubbles John talks to Vriska, while Dave, Aradia, and Sollux explore their dream afterlife.
17: Showdown Combo Gamzee, Vriska, and Eridan confront one another, while Jack Noir carries on his quest of destruction, and Aradia reveals the history of Doc Scratch.
18: Blackout Rose talks to Doc Scratch, while John continues exploring Skaia.
19: Scratched Rose and John reunite, while Dave talks to Terezi, and we learn more about the trolls' ancestors.
20: The Pendulum Terezi confronts Vriska, Rose confronts Jack, and Spades Slick confronts Doc Scratch.
21-22: Scrapbook, Parts 1 and 2 Doc Scratch's book of photos shows various conversations and other events at various points in time.
23: He is Already Here We learn about the rest of the trolls' ancestors, and meet one, while CD arrives on the Land of Frost and Frogs.
24: Cascade No description given.
Season 3 1: Through Broken Glass We meet Jane Crocker and Jake English, and find out about their enigmatic friends, Lalonde and Strider.
2: Corpse Party The kids and trolls begin their journey through the Furthest Ring and across the Yellow Yard.
3: Strilondes We meet Dirk Strider and Roxy Lalonde, as Jane begins entering the game.
4: Wrecked Dirk, Jake, and Roxy adventure on Derse and in the Furthest Ring, while Jane continues entering the game.
5: Waste of Space We catch up with the kids and trolls one year later, while Andrew Hussie deals with a certain green monster in his house.
6: Nobles Jane and Lil Seb explore the Land of Crypts and Helium, while Dirk tells Jake about the Batterwitch's rise to power.
7: Jailbreak Jack Noir attempts to escape from Prospitian jail, while Jake talks to a mysterious troll.
8: Checkmate Dirk talks to uu, Jane searches for her father, and Aranea and Meenah talk to the meteor crew.
9: Cherubim We meet UU, as the kids deal with Red Miles appearing in their session and their universe.
10: Enter III Dirk's master plan comes together, as the rest of the kids and uu enter the game.
11-12: Ballet of the Dancestors, Parts 1 and 2 We catch up with the meteor and battleship crews once again, and Meenah attempts to recruit an army to fight Lord English, introducing us to the rest of the pre-Scratch trolls.
13: Dead Caliborn embarks on his journey through his new session and encounters two mysterious allies, while we learn about the majority of the kids' session.
14: Abscond It's Jane's birthday, and drama drives the kids apart. Meanwhile, Roxy meets Calliope in her dreams, and we catch up with Mr. Crocker.
15: Patron Manbro Roxy escapes from jail, Jake talks to Caliborn, Dirk talks to Lil Hal, and Jane receives a present from Calliope.
16: Tricksters The kids fly around the Medium in Trickster form and cause chaos.
17: Gods The kids come down from Trickster Mode and talk on their quest slabs.
18: I'm Putting You on Speaker Crab Aranea explains about cherubs, Dave and Karkat have an intervention for Terezi's Faygo addiction, and Caliborn continues dominating his dead session.
19: The Treasure John joins Vriska's pirate crew on a treasure hunt, while Karkat serves as a counselor for Terezi and Caliborn continues building the Felt.
20: Retcon Heir John deals with his new powers, while Spades Slick takes over the Felt.
Season 4 1: Homesuck (doubt "homo" would really fly as a TV episode title) Caliborn temporarily takes over the show, and we see the whereabouts of the kids and trolls in the new session.
2: Grimbark John meets Roxy, Jade confronts Dave, Jane threatens Jake, and Dirk travels back to the session.
3: The Sylph and the Page John enters Caliborn's crude parody of the story, while Aranea infiltrates the B2 session and makes a deal with Jake.
4: Brain Ghost Jake confronts Aranea, Jade meets Calliope, and PM and Bec Noir arrive in the session.
5: Game Over No description given.
6: The Choice Caliborn mourns his loss to John, John, Roxy, and Terezi deal with the ramifications of the previous episode, and Jade tells Calliope a story.
7: The Password Terezi sends John on a mission to fix the timeline, while Vriska spends time with Meenah, and Jane meets Jade and Calliope.
8: Masterpiece Caliborn shows off his greatest work of art yet, we find out what happened on the three-year journey after John changed the timeline, John and Roxy arrive in the new timeline, and Vriska talks strategy for the upcoming battles.
9: The Mad Tea Party Calliope and Jade meet an alternate version of the former, the team meets Jasprosesprite^2, and more conversations happen.
10: Remember More conversations happen, yet another new Sprite is introduced, Terezi has a vision, and the stage is set for the big battle.
11: Collide No description given.
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Post by cauchemar on Apr 13, 2016 12:37:28 GMT
A reboot would be nice, it would be an opportunity to get rid of all the Ancestor/Dancestor and Cherubs nonsense and to focus on the two important things, aka the Scratch and the fact the trolls created the human universe. Both concepts are at the core of Homestuck since the beginning and should stay integral to the story.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 12:41:01 GMT
A reboot would be nice, it would be an opportunity to get rid of all the Ancestor/Dancestor and Cherubs nonsense and to focus on the two important things, aka the Scratch and the fact the trolls created the human universe. Both concepts are at the core of Homestuck since the beginning and should stay integral to the story. Are you actually saying the whole Lord English business is a side story that should have been avoided? Becuse let's face it, as much as it can get confusing and people can hate and/or not understand it, that has been the core of the plot since Intermission 2 (and was present as far as Intermission 1, and was heavily hinted to be important even in Act 5, see Doc Scratch).
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Post by cauchemar on Apr 13, 2016 13:05:17 GMT
Yeah, I'm saying it's a side story that should have been avoided. Lord English could have easily turned out to be any of the characters (or to not be a "character" at all, see below), the whole cherub subplot is ridiculously random and heavy, is basically a meta-mockery of the whole troll and troll romance thing and obsfucates the cosmogony. We see pretty well in the conclusion English isn't even this relevant thematics-wise, he's just this big brute the characters defeat (IF they defeat him, which stays open in the current state of the ending) almost incidentally.
To keep things short: Lord English is a complete archetype, a symbol more than a character, and the main structure of the story would stay literally the same if he was just an archetype. He didn't need an origin story, and especially not one this heavy.
The fact Caliborn is an interesting character (especially because he's just a horrible guy, very unhealthy psychologically, with no redeeming quality outside his perseverance to win... is that a feminist statement against toxic masculinity, or just Hussie wanting to do a really disturbing antagonist?) and the various Calliopes are amazing characters doesn't change the fact all of these characters aren't needed at all and basically add nothing to the story intradiegetically.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 13, 2016 13:09:38 GMT
Homestuck was pretty perfect for me until Act 6. If Act 6 gets rebooted I would be fine. I liked the Act 6 intermissions and the stuff that happened when everyone was in alpha session, but the rest I disliked. Also I honestly liked the whole Ancestors concept and I actually disliked how their story got ditched in Act 6 and was only brought up again like, once I think, only to have stories that we already know about repeated. I would love to know more about the ancestor's story.
One thing for sure though, 2.0 definitely shouldn't be for kids. Karkat without the swearing is just not Karkat. Same with every other character who swears a lot. And a lot of the jokes wouldn't play out properly, especially a lot of the shit Dave says at the beginning of the comic. Or if they do the route where they beep all the swearing, then Karkat will have so many beeps it would be more annoying than hilarious.
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Post by partymember57 on Apr 13, 2016 13:11:09 GMT
A Hollywood movie is both improbable, because Hollywood is self-centered, doesn't like new things and do not care this much even about one of the most successful webcomics ever, and a kinda negative perspective. It would become a very tame product, and definitely aimed for kids. Very probably, they would put Robert Rodriguez or something like that on the project. This is literally how Hollywood Homestuck would look like. Yeah, anything with Hollywood touching it is bad news. I bet it really would look like that. ^ I hope that never happens. I'd rather have the non-ending we have now than for Hollywood to write an ending for us.
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Post by ConstantTroublemaker on Apr 13, 2016 13:29:23 GMT
Yeah, I'm saying it's a side story that should have been avoided. Lord English could have easily turned out to be any of the characters (or to not be a "character" at all, see below), the whole cherub subplot is ridiculously random and heavy, is basically a meta-mockery of the whole troll and troll romance thing and obsfucates the cosmogony. We see pretty well in the conclusion English isn't even this relevant thematics-wise, he's just this big brute the characters defeat (IF they defeat him, which stays open in the current state of the ending) almost incidentally. To keep things short: Lord English is a complete archetype, a symbol more than a character, and the main structure of the story would stay literally the same if he was just an archetype. He didn't need an origin story, and especially not one this heavy. The fact Caliborn is an interesting character (especially because he's just a horrible guy, very unhealthy psychologically, with no redeeming quality outside his perseverance to win... is that a feminist statement against toxic masculinity, or just Hussie wanting to do a really disturbing antagonist?) and the various Calliopes are amazing characters doesn't change the fact all of these characters aren't needed at all and basically add nothing to the story intradiegetically. Well, you are free to hold this opinion... but it's like saying Harry Potter should have focused on those wizard kids attending their magical college, and the whole Voldermort sub-plot was superfluous and should have been avoided because it only distracted from the main story.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 13, 2016 13:59:23 GMT
I think my main issue with Lord English is that he's a very boring and generic villain with basically no personality whatsoever. Bec was the best villain (although Condy is pretty cool) imo, so I found it disappointing how he got shoved to the side.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 5:48:39 GMT
I'd be all down for a complete reboot of Homestuck with everything flavored more like it was in Acts 1-4 Maybe get "If the trolls didn't exist" or if they existed, aren't looked into as heavily as they were in the comic. (...I may be biased though. )
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 14, 2016 6:01:54 GMT
Honestly, I don't understand the POV of people who want less trolls. (Unless they mean alpha trolls, in which case yes, because the alpha trolls can suck it.) If there ever was an adaptation/reboot/rewrite of Homestuck, it'd pretty much be criminal to leave them out. Troll romance and society are awesome, and a Homestuck without Kanaya, Karkat or Terezi is a Homestuck I don't want anything to do with.
I like Caliborn and Calliope a lot, but I can at least understand why an adaptation would be better off for getting rid of cherubs as a species, and even kind of agree. They don't really add any cool sci-fi alien concepts that the trolls don't already bring to the table, aside from some frankly pretty weaksauce pseudo-yin-yang cosmogony. (Good word usage from cauchemar!)
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 14, 2016 6:41:42 GMT
I don't see anything wrong with Act 5 though? It's the best act imo. And I've always liked the trolls and felt that Aradia and Sollux should have had more screentime. It's the Alpha kids that I've always had an issue with and I don't think they should have existed to be honest, or at least should have had their arc a lot smaller. Roxy and Dirk were pretty cool, but I never liked Jane and Jake.
I also don't like the idea of the Cherubs ether. But as much as I don't like them, I do love Caliborn and I don't think he should get erased.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 14, 2016 7:00:23 GMT
As much as I like the trolls, I honestly don't like Act 5's feel as much as the rest of Homestuck. It's not a bad act, certainly not the worst (that'd probably be A6I3 imo), but it just feels so... weird, I dunno. It's all so bleak in comparison to the rest of Homestuck and, while that can be cool, it feels too CONSTANTLY bleak. I think it was maybe even intentional to mimic the feeling of an null session (just like the Sburb Alpha portion of Act 6 mimics the feeling of a void session in another way, imo), but...
Personally, I think in an adaptation/reboot, the characters should all stay. what should be moved around is how much time is spent with them and how they're dealt with. We did't need the cherub exposition that badly, or at least not that in depth. We didn't need to spend so long exploring any of the alpha trolls but Meenah and Aranea - they may perhaps be nice for Classpect stuff and analysis and such, but that's not necessary for an adaptation now that we already have them in-comic. Act 6 could definitely be sped-up. Stuff like that.
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Post by sporkaganza on Apr 14, 2016 7:05:06 GMT
I have a high tolerance for bleakness in fiction, so I like that about Act 5. It's by far the best act IMO. (Worst is A6I3, naturally. Lol)
But the point about changing how much focus is on certain characters is something I absolutely agree with. I'd rather not remove anyone if possible, but I'd agree the cherub exposition dump wasn't really very useful at all. There are a lot of sections in Act 6 especially that could probably just be removed. I mean, personally I actually like the Trickster Mode stuff but it ended up not mattering to the plot at all.
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Post by butternutpumpkin on Apr 14, 2016 7:43:45 GMT
I didn't like the atmosphere of Act 6 the most, and I think it's mainly because of the fact that game mechanics weren't really mentioned much at all. It became less about the game and more about teenage drama and filler to me. The only good thing about act 6 was Caliborn. He's actually ended up becoming one of my favourites. He was such a fun character, even though sometimes I get his speech mixed up with Karkat's (seriously though he's like an evil version of Karkat) Calliope is okay, but I prefer her alternate self.
Also I quite like A6I3 lol. I feel like I'm the only one who likes it.
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Post by alleywaycreeper on Apr 14, 2016 11:37:07 GMT
Honestly I think one advantage of an adaptation is simply that Hussie will know everything in advance and can thereby rearrange things that were imperfectly implemented on the fly. And I think he can do that without cutting anything, or at least without cutting very much at all.
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Post by therationaldove on Apr 14, 2016 15:49:17 GMT
First, assuming that HS 2.0 is a reboot/reimagining of HS rather than something more tangential, I think we just would really need to just tighten things and do some reorganization, rather than cutting/removing things. I think that while the Beforus trolls are interesting, if we need to remove things, they could probably go althogether. At lot of the things that they do could just be replaced by some of the already introduced trolls. Granted, most of the trolls were meant to be just side characters rather than important centerpieces, to be fair. Lord English and the cherubs really shouldn't be removed because Lord English was always set up from early on as the final boss.
I think, if we wanted to restructure it, maybe it could remade so that the Beta session and Alpha session happen concurrently? Like instead of the Alpha kids being introduced after Cascade, they are introduced earlier on. This would allow for more character development as well. Then you make some insane twists happen. Like, maybe frame the two session has happening concurrently to one another in such a way that it is revealed that the Beta kids and the Alpha kids are related, or something along those line. Then, the two sessions meeting and gathering to take down the final boss can be part of the true final act. I t would have to be cleaner than that, onviously, but I think that would help redistribute the lenght of the act a bit more evenly.
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Post by cauchemar on Apr 14, 2016 16:41:45 GMT
Personally, I think in an adaptation/reboot, the characters should all stay. They can't. Except if you're looking for a book series. Homestuck has too many characters by any standards. In the protagonists/allies category only, there are 71.
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Post by sparkeletran on Apr 14, 2016 17:03:57 GMT
Personally, I think in an adaptation/reboot, the characters should all stay. They can't. Except if you're looking for a book series. Homestuck has too many characters by any standards. In the protagonists/allies category only, there are 71. You don't need to cut characters from the story out completely to make the cast more manageable. It's possible they'd decide to in case of an adaptation to trim things down, yes, but then we get into another territory entirely - not a question of necessity, but just... of choice. Cutting out Cherubs from the story entirely wouldn't be necessary in the slightest, but it could certainly end up being a decision. The only type of media that I'd say would NEED a trimming down of the cast per se would be movies, but movies also have lots of OTHER issues that relate back to this such as the size of each part of the story. I could very much see a tv show of some sort with a similar cast size still, simply with rearranged focuses and a faster-paced story. It also helps that many of the characters that fill up the list are alternate versions of other characters as well.
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