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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 14:22:08 GMT
I'm not sure how likely this will be, but I would LOVE Hiveswap to implement features from Homestuck, like an echeladder with witty and hilarious titles, ceramic porkhollows for keeping boonmoney, kiddy camper handysashes with achievement patches (Yes, I know only God Tiers get them, but...), and sylladices with fetch modus shenanigans! afaik the last one is confirmed to some extent, but the rest are sburb features so bad chance here
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Post by Gab on Aug 28, 2016 17:57:35 GMT
Technically the echeladder isn't tied to sburb. The others definitely are, but echeladder is a pretty standard measurement of strength that has no real ties to the game, at least not anymore than sylladices themselves. On the other hand, Hiveswap most likely won't have nearly enough combat elements to really justify having a working echeladder system in place, nor anywhere to spend boondollars, so if it was going to appear, it would most likely be a gag more than anything. But okay, for real now. As soon as I saw this thread had new posts, I immediately went to reddit to see if there was any news, where there's some more drama been revealed. My takeaway from it is it looks like lack of communication isn't just What Pumpkin's bad habit, but Andrew's personal failing as well.
Honestly, though, I can't help feeling bad for the guy. Obviously what he did was wrong, but if it was me, I'd have probably made the same mistakes, so I can understand what he had to go through. It has probably been all he could do to keep himself from sinking into a depression himself and keeping the game project alive at all, that's got to take some serious strength not to cry uncle on all this. It also helps me understand why he's been fading more and more from active involvement on the internet. If not because he's afraid to face the music on what he's done, then very probably because he doesn't want to do wrong by anybody else again.
This is all starting to drain me emotionally. When the game finally comes out, I hope this is something that everyone can ultimately put behind them, and we can just have a nice cool video game we can play, talk about, and have fun with together. And I can only wish the best to everyone who is, has been, or may yet be involved in the development of the game, and condolences for all the hardships that entails.
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Post by therationaldove on Aug 28, 2016 18:25:46 GMT
So, I feel like I have missed something. Did something happen that I am not aware of?
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Post by Gab on Aug 29, 2016 14:32:43 GMT
Well looking back at it it was kind of going over something that happened a while ago (when the NY team got let go and the project went to 2D) shedding more light on it. Maybe I was a little quick to the draw and responding to that. But an information drought will do that to me... oops.
Actually, something that would be cool is if a new system was introduced along with reprising Homestuck game systems. It could be something small, like the prankster's gambit, but introducing some new thematic game concept to call its own would be pretty neat. Though I don't know what exactly it would be...
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Post by PsnedE on Aug 29, 2016 16:26:19 GMT
But okay, for real now. As soon as I saw this thread had new posts, I immediately went to reddit to see if there was any news, where there's some more drama been revealed. My takeaway from it is it looks like lack of communication isn't just What Pumpkin's bad habit, but Andrew's personal failing as well.
Honestly, though, I can't help feeling bad for the guy. Obviously what he did was wrong, but if it was me, I'd have probably made the same mistakes, so I can understand what he had to go through. It has probably been all he could do to keep himself from sinking into a depression himself and keeping the game project alive at all, that's got to take some serious strength not to cry uncle on all this. It also helps me understand why he's been fading more and more from active involvement on the internet. If not because he's afraid to face the music on what he's done, then very probably because he doesn't want to do wrong by anybody else again.
This is all starting to drain me emotionally. When the game finally comes out, I hope this is something that everyone can ultimately put behind them, and we can just have a nice cool video game we can play, talk about, and have fun with together. And I can only wish the best to everyone who is, has been, or may yet be involved in the development of the game, and condolences for all the hardships that entails. Honestly though, I wish we knew why AH and What Pumpkin were so quiet about Hiveswap. It could legal troubles, or maybe they don't want to over hype it? I definitely feel bad for Hussie with all the BS he's having to go through to release this game.
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Post by therationaldove on Aug 29, 2016 23:45:25 GMT
Well looking back at it it was kind of going over something that happened a while ago (when the NY team got let go and the project went to 2D) shedding more light on it. Maybe I was a little quick to the draw and responding to that. But an information drought will do that to me... oops. Actually, something that would be cool is if a new system was introduced along with reprising Homestuck game systems. It could be something small, like the prankster's gambit, but introducing some new thematic game concept to call its own would be pretty neat. Though I don't know what exactly it would be... As far as I know, the reason why those staff members were let go was because they switched to 2D. And none of the staff seem to have ill will towards the project, so....Unless they were lying or something, I don't think Hussie made a bad choice in letting go that staff if he had to switch to 2D. 3D programmers can't do much if it's not something they are experienced with.
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Post by imperiousMarxist on Sept 5, 2016 14:37:26 GMT
It's officially been four years and a day since the kickstarter launched, and we have fuck-all to know how far along it's come.
For the sake of discussion, I'd like to present this <redacted link> posted earlier this year about Hiveswap (it doesn't explicitly state it, but you can infer what they mean). It doesn't give much detail on what the game is, but instead how grim things look internally. As far as I can tell, most discussion of this has fallen under the radar.
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Post by Gab on Sept 5, 2016 19:28:05 GMT
There's a reason discussion has fallen under the radar. What you're digging up amounts to personal drama that has no real bearing on the state of the game, and shows zero sympathy for the person/people actually affected. It deserves to remain beyond the bubble of this fandom's awareness, it's none of our business.
I'm not really in the mood to get into this too much, but sometimes I feel like I'm in a tiny minority compared to a legion of people acting so sourly over an ideal that can't be met. I mean, I get that people would prefer more constant, upfront updates. I agree that probably would be for the better, and I understand the arguments made for it. But I don't see why it's made out to be such a big deal. Something will happen with the game, one way or another. Whether we're kept in the dark all that time or get our hands held with more half-honest empty reassurance regularly will barely impact the end result, in my view. And if you want to think less of Andrew, What Pumpkin, or anyone on the dev team for making a poor choice where there are no good ones, then I guess that's your prerogative, but it's really not something that needs to be discussed at all.
I remember when the kickstarter first finished, most of the updates after that were about keeping people updated on the stuff they got for pledging, the posters and plushies and things. Since I only pledged to get the game on a physical medium this meant nothing to me, and it felt like it took forever until an actual update about the game came out. In fact, it took more than a year before the first adventure game updated was posted. The next one after that came out 6 months later, and it started to pick up after that. Boy, that was an exciting time. Anyway, my point here is if we're lucky we'll get an update this December or January. I don't think the kickstarter has ever gone much longer than a year without an update of SOME kind. At least, if there is something to report.
Looking back at that stuff is kind of strange. Knowing the details on things they'd previously kept secret, even some stuff I think they didn't want to say, like they compromised to try and give SOMETHING to make up for being so badly delayed. And of course everywhere you go you'll find people complaining about the wait and lack of updates. (Some joker posted flipoff asciis on every single page.) It's very wistful for me, especially looking at stuff that probably isn't relevant anymore since the game plan has also changed a number of times.
On the other hand, it's also cool to see how our scope on what the game will be has evolved over the years, from literally not knowing anything more than the phrase "Homestuck Adventure Game" to having what feels like a pretty good grasp on the overarching plot of the series will be, plus a good chunk of the story for the first episode. It's kind of cool how with only a few teasers we've grown to know a surprising amount of information about Joey, Jude, Xefros, and the worlds they inhabit, for a game that hasn't even come out yet.
And honestly every time I go back to the kickstarter I am sort of revitalized on the project. All the dead air, drama and rumors flying about, give one a terrible impression, and while I know they're trying to soften the blow, every time someone on the team mentions they're working hard and making progress, it helps me be more patient. Whatever happens between then and now, I'll never stop being excited to finally get to play the game and explore the world and story these people have been developing for so long.
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Post by mementovivere on Sept 6, 2016 15:40:27 GMT
There's a reason discussion has fallen under the radar. What you're digging up amounts to personal drama that has no real bearing on the state of the game, and shows zero sympathy for the person/people actually affected. It deserves to remain beyond the bubble of this fandom's awareness, it's none of our business. Agreed. That post tells us little that we don't already know--we're ALREADY aware that layoffs happened when the physical NYC office had to close for financial reasons. Layoffs suck, I've been there so I can absolutely sympathize, but unfortunately that's the reality of running a project like this and realizing your current business plan isn't financially viable. New York City is famous for being extremely expensive to work and live in, and hindsight is 20/20. Everything beyond that is personal and should stay that way. imperiousMarxist, it seems you completely disregarded the part of the post where she says something that made matters worse and more embarrassing for her was someone creating and spreading a tumblr post linking to her personal journal post in order to back up their Hiveswap theories. That's exactly what you're doing (but on the forums instead of tumblr), so let's avoid that. Even if it's on the internet, it is absolutely not necessary to drag someone's personal stuff into a forum discussion about a video game people are impatient for.
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Post by dldracorex on Sept 6, 2016 22:25:14 GMT
I, for one, am still hopeful that the game will eventually come out. Maybe we will hear some news come 10/25. And hey, even if the game eventually sucks, at least we will be able to laugh about it.
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Post by Gab on Sept 7, 2016 4:34:46 GMT
I'm extremely confident the game will come out, I have never really had doubt about that. If it ends up being a disaster though, I don't know if I could take that. I mean, it might end up in that really frustrating zone where I like it and some other people like it but most everyone else on the internet hates and bashes it and there's nothing you can really do to change their minds, and that's almost as bad. I'm pretty sure it'll be good though. There have been challenges, but I don't believe they would sacrifice the quality because of delays or even budgetary issues. They're doing the best they can to make the best possible product for us. Maybe I'm setting myself for disappointment that way, but I can't help it... I have a way of getting totally invested in these things.
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Post by randomPasser-by on Sept 10, 2016 0:36:47 GMT
I was wandering in this guy twitter (he is a programmer of HV or something) when i found this:
Well, he could be talking about his wife, who is also a Game Dev, but there are chances that he's talking about Hussie. Idk
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Post by inspiredsimji on Sept 17, 2016 22:35:11 GMT
How are you all so sure the game is being made at all? To me, it looks like the entire thing was a scam. There's really no reason they have to be THIS silent about it.
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Post by eerr on Sept 18, 2016 0:56:25 GMT
How are you all so sure the game is being made at all? To me, it looks like the entire thing was a scam. There's really no reason they have to be THIS silent about it. Andrew Hussie's dedication is clearly demonstrated by his seven thousand page webcomic. I think he would tell us if the project failed outright. It's not proof but I feel satisfied. Oh and there's a website that says someone is working on the game.
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Post by mementovivere on Sept 18, 2016 2:10:35 GMT
How are you all so sure the game is being made at all? To me, it looks like the entire thing was a scam. There's really no reason they have to be THIS silent about it. Putting aside the fact that I've personally talked to people who are working on the game, there's ample public evidence that the game's being worked on--multiple stages of substantial progress updates (even if there have been a number of setbacks and changes), communications with people who have been employed by What Pumpkin in the past or in the present, physical office spaces being rented, multiple well-known people who have been involved in the writing/art/music/programming/etc. If it were a scam, it would be an absolutely terrible one that didn't make anyone any money due to spending all the kickstarter money on the ruse, and would involving multiple respectable professionals intentionally sabotaging their own good reputations for no good reason. By some accounts, What Pumpkin is no longer fueled by the kickstarter money and is spending its own profits on pushing the game forward. I agree that it'd be preferable if they were more transparent or at least provided more updates, but that seems to be the way What Pumpkin is running things at this point. Considering some of the stalkery past behavior some individuals have exhibited in trying to scrounge up more personal information on the people working on the game, I honestly can't say I blame them for going more silent.
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Post by dldracorex on Sept 18, 2016 2:46:53 GMT
How are you all so sure the game is being made at all? To me, it looks like the entire thing was a scam. There's really no reason they have to be THIS silent about it. Putting aside the fact that I've personally talked to people who are working on the game, there's ample public evidence that the game's being worked on--multiple stages of substantial progress updates (even if there have been a number of setbacks and changes), communications with people who have been employed by What Pumpkin in the past or in the present, physical office spaces being rented, multiple well-known people who have been involved in the writing/art/music/programming/etc. If it were a scam, it would be an absolutely terrible one that didn't make anyone any money due to spending all the kickstarter money on the ruse, and would involving multiple respectable professionals intentionally sabotaging their own good reputations for no good reason. By some accounts, What Pumpkin is no longer fueled by the kickstarter money and is spending its own profits on pushing the game forward. I mean, honestly, that does sound a little bit like something Hussie would do.
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Post by Gab on Sept 19, 2016 3:17:52 GMT
I think that's a ridiculous notion that deserves to die out. Andrew Hussie's personality has never given me the impression people seem to run away with. He's never been a troll, and he's never been the type to pull obscene public stunts on the public. It's asinine. He tells funny stories in a nonstandard way, that's it.
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Post by BlackholeOU on Oct 1, 2016 14:53:19 GMT
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Post by PsnedE on Oct 1, 2016 17:16:57 GMT
im skeptical, yet hopeful.
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 1, 2016 18:25:18 GMT
*String of excited expletives.*!!!!!!!
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Post by shomarus on Oct 1, 2016 22:49:29 GMT
lmao the update is gone
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Post by dldracorex on Oct 1, 2016 23:16:45 GMT
*String of normal expletives.*!!!!!!!
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Post by Gab on Oct 2, 2016 4:40:54 GMT
Pandora's box has been opened.
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Post by sasuke on Oct 2, 2016 14:35:35 GMT
obviously fake. we've already had official conformation for years that hiveswap is releasing spring 2015. why cant you guys just believe that? ??
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Post by Pheryx on Oct 3, 2016 6:24:17 GMT
Apparently it was Schroedingers update. Some people swear they saw a release date others did not. lol
If there is an update i hope it comes out soon.
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